Get rid of pvp communities

[Carradre-grobbulus]

People have already told you why those specific things mentioned were exploits. No one is interested in your faux concern trolling.

[Celinthia-eldrethalas]

Not a single person has answered the question

[Carradre-grobbulus]

@Akatsüki-stormrage

Most of those things cause disconnect loops for players, or did before they were fixed. Just like the warrior that got a perma ban for exploiting an invulnerability glitch to kill people in PvP with no chance of them harming him.

@Celinthia-eldrethalas

Not a single person has answered the question

They have, you just aren’t interested in hearing someone debunk your lack of an argument.

Gripping people through/under terrain that disconnects people intentionally is an exploit.

Rifting people into cages that disconnect them or under terrain that causes disconnect loops is an exploit.

Taking advantage of bugs in quests, items, etc to make yourself invulnerable and using them to make yourself immune in pvp is an exploit.

[Celinthia-eldrethalas]

That wasn’t an answer to the question. What defines an exploit?

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

My brother in Christ, you keep shifting the goal posts. Someone literally posted things that were exploits, you then asked what makes them exploits, I clarified what is considered exploits in what they said, then you are trying to completely redirect the argument because it doesn’t conform to your belief system.

Look at the person above you. They literally explained it to you.

No one is interested in your circular arguing and fake engagement.

[Enfers-stormrage]

@Carradre-grobbulus

quests, items, etc to make yourself invulnerable and using them to make yourself immune in pvp is an exploit.

I mean that kinda sounds like just putting blizzards shoddy game design on blast.

If you as a designer allow a invulnerability quest item to be used outside a very specific location that failure was on you.

[Carradre-grobbulus]

Shoddy game design doesn’t mean you can take advantage of bugs or other broken things to your advantage lmao.

Rextroy does that, and the ONLY reason he doesn’t get banned is because he reports these things to Blizzard to get them fixed. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have a WoW account.

There’s another guy who is an avid wpvper who does the same thing Rextroy does and reports all of these things to Blizzard as he does them. He doesn’t get banned simply because of that fact.

[Celinthia-eldrethalas]

@Akatsüki-stormrage

No one is interested in your circular arguing and fake engagement.

Let me correct you. You aren’t interested in answering the question because it would expose you hypocrisy

[Akatsüki-stormrage]

Oh I’ll use this logic next time there’s some bank glitch that lets me withdraw an infinite amount of money. That’ll go over well with the authorities.

[Enfers-stormrage]

So basically what im reading is because he takes the time to pick out the bugs that the person who gets paid a salary to do that either cant or wont he doesn’t get banned. so he doesn’t get banned cause he is doing their job for them.

There have been many situations in this game that happened that really made you just stop and think like “wow… how did anyone ever let this happen ever”. Like kazzak in stormwind.

Oversights so staggeringly huge that you cant really blame anyone but the designer that let it happen.

[Carradre-grobbulus]

There’s no hypocrisy. You’re trying to gaslight people into thinking people exploiting bugs/items in the game to kill/grief and ruin BGs is the same thing as people using the group finder to sync queue.

This is already something that has been explained ad nauseam to you, but you don’t seem to catch on.

I wonder why that is.

@Enfers-stormrage

So basically what im reading is because he takes the time to pick out the bugs that the person who gets paid a salary to do that either cant or wont he doesn’t get banned. so he doesn’t get banned cause he is doing their job for them.

It isn’t unheard of in any game for there to be things that slip through in code or that they just didn’t see. That isn’t a job or a Blizzard thing, it’s just human error.

@Enfers-stormrage

Oversights so staggeringly huge that you cant really blame the player anymore.

Lol you honestly can’t believe this victim mentality can you?

“Oh no, I used a bug with an engineering item to glitch out the LK encounter and get a world first kill”

That and situations like that are 100% player issues and it’s on the player not to abuse them, and to report them.

Same thing with people being rifted/gripped into to disconnect loops.

You’re making the same moronic argument you see in reddit threads on the wow subreddit where people act like they don’t know why they are banned.

[Celinthia-eldrethalas]

@Carradre-grobbulus

There’s no hypocrisy. You’re trying to gaslight people into thinking people exploiting bugs/items in the game to kill/grief and ruin BGs is the same thing as people using the group finder to sync queue.

No, I asked a simply questing. Nobody has answer it. How do you define an exploit?

[Carradre-grobbulus]

That wasn’t what you asked. You asked how are those exploits and then when it was explained to you you moved the goalposts to ask what defines an exploit. Both of those things were answered, but you weren’t satisfied with said answer(s).

[Celinthia-eldrethalas]

@Celinthia-eldrethalas

So, what exactly makes those things an “exploit”?

This was the question. Nobody would answer it. So, I asked people to tell me how they define exploiting.

[Enfers-stormrage]

@Carradre-grobbulus

That and situations like that are 100% player issues and it’s on the player not to abuse them, and to report them.

Isn’t it on the developer to catch these things before they make it to the live product?

And if something does make it past isnt it on them to fix it in a timely manner? People reported the box spot in ashran for months upon months i think it took 2 expansions for them to finally get around to fixing that.

[Carradre-grobbulus]

@Icculus-norgannon

Let me tell you where you can stick your “whataboutisms”.

Terrain exploits have been a thing for a while. Its like using warlock portals to put people inside walls or under stairs. Or that bomb explot that got used in WG a while back. That sort of stuff. I don’t necessarily expect or want anything to be done about it. However, if you do stuff like that in game, don’t be surprised if you get called out on it. There should be honor amongst theives.

The original post you responded to.

@Celinthia-eldrethalas

So, what exactly makes those things an “exploit”?

Your original question.

@Akatsüki-stormrage

Most of those things cause disconnect loops for players, or did before they were fixed. Just like the warrior that got a perma ban for exploiting an invulnerability glitch to kill people in PvP with no chance of them harming him.

The difference between people queueing in groups for epics and the above mentioned things is people can still fight back against premades, you can’t outplay someone terrain or ability exploiting.

Or as the GMs like to call it, there’s a PvP solution to premades.

Hope this helps.

Clarification on what they said.

@Celinthia-eldrethalas

Again, what defines an exploit?

You goal post shifting.

I could go on and on. Again, I’m not interested in your concern trolling.

[Celinthia-eldrethalas]

@Carradre-grobbulus

Clarification on what they said.

So, by his own words what Enfers does isn’t exploiting. Cool but how do you define exploiting?

@Carradre-grobbulus

You goal post shifting.

It’s always funny to watch you guys use the same things incorrectly lol

[Carradre-grobbulus]

@Enfers-stormrage

Isn’t it on the developer to catch these things before they make it to the live product?

And if something does make it past isnt it on them to fix it in a timely manner? People reported the box spot in ashran for months upon months i think it took 2 expansions for them to finally get around to fixing that.

You can’t “fix” 100% of problems in a game as old as WoW. Probably billions of lines of code that get sorted through every patch, and things make it through that they don’t intend to get through or don’t know about.

A lack of them fixing something isn’t carte blanche for you to abuse it.

[Celinthia-eldrethalas]

@Carradre-grobbulus

A lack of them fixing something isn’t carte blanche for you to abuse it.

Interesting theory…

[Enfers-stormrage]

@Carradre-grobbulus

A lack of them fixing something isn’t carte blanche for you to abuse it.

Great sounds like a sentence i should save to say to people who que sync.