Blizzard does not have to clarify each and every little plot point. We don’t need them to hold our hands through every single obvious plot point. Here, you have firsthand experience versus secondhand retelling. It’s a no brainer which account is canonical.
Arguing this, among all things that could be argued, is just pointlessly pedantic for the sake of it. Your examples are instances of history being changed or clarified - which faction did which raid, or extended versions of ingame events - and this is a case of two different narratives, one of which is actually physically experienced. It’s not comparable.
Because the Horde side is being told to them by a guard, who would understandably remember things in a very threatening light after witnessing the invasion and battle. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable due to emotion and adrenaline, even assuming the very best intentions rather than assuming the guard was deliberately trying to paint the attackers in the worst possible light.
Honestly, given the circumstances, I’d say this was one of the best places to use it. It’s far more annoying when both sides are seeing events “first person” and still get different versions.
I never said they had to. But to know it for a certainty, they would have to clarify.
And as I’ve said a couple times now, if you want to believe in your rationale, that’s fine by me. It isn’t without some merit. I’m not heavily invested in asserting anything beyond uncertainty.
You’re free to not keep trying to convince me if you don’t want to. I just made a comment to which people seem to want to insist I’m wrong about.
Such clarifications are reasonable comparisons to me. Ambiguous events later given an unambiguous answer.
I wanted to comment on this, though I see it has been discussed.
I don’t think the consensus of the fan base equates to the writers intent. It is a guess at the most. Which is fine.
I agree with those who suggest there is uncertainty which version is canon - and that probably won’t be settled this patch. It may be mentioned in a future patch or in a new Chronicles, but it is anyone’s guess at this point.
The Horde version is recently added, a week after the raids release. There is always the possibility the Horde version is made canon if they bothered with adding it after the raid was released.
Again - I dont argue one version is canon over the other. I argue it is too early to state definitively.
Why would they canonize the version of the storyline that you’re not there to experience, over the version of the storyline you directly participate in? That’s like arguing that it’s uncertain if Thrall or Theldurin killed Deathwing.
Both versions of the text were added a week after the raid was released.
It’s obvious that they were not included at first because of a glitch or something.
… I think sitting here reading my own comment, it actually just hit me how authentically funny the concept of hungry princess-snatching Genn is. I just audibly laughed at it.
Demanding people as hostage so you can use them as love interests for your daughter is pretty weird old man stuff. It’s super weird old man stuff. Dude.
That has happened many times. Where one side is given the canon victory, and the other side being there is a “false memory” or simply not true story wise.
If the Horde side is made canon, their version is what happened. Not the Alliance player’s version. And we have no information as to which is canon. Only guesses.
As I said to the other poster - it has happened before.
Adventurers saved the Sunwell. But the Alliance doing it is canon, while the Horde helped them secure the Isle. Negating the memories of the Horde Players who were in there clearing the Sunwell every week.
Blizzard could just as easily make the Horde version canon. I dont see certainty one way or the other at this point.
This is not the same case whatsoever. Both sides had an identical experience in Sunwell Plateau, like most raids. In the instance of Dazar’alor, both sides are given a different experience with a literal in universe explanation for WHY it’s different.
It’s extremely pedantic to say that there’s no certainty in the Alliance version, just as it would be pedantic to say the Horde version of the Horde bosses aren’t the canon version. You seriously can’t see how a firsthand experience automatically supersedes the experience of a secondhand retelling that is SAID UPFRONT without any retcon or Chronicle, to be a secondhand experience that you don’t actually participate in?
But in this case, the Horde players are literally being told what happened. They even fight as Alliance races. There’s no need to say “canonically, the Alliance did this” because both sides are experiencing the fight as something the Alliance did.
War of Thorns, I believe. Or at least there were elements of it. Horde players had the option to poison civilians and guards. Alliance players are informed the Horde poisoned everyone. There was also something with the Furbolg I believe.
I’m fairly certain the poisoned civilians in Astranaar are the doing of the Forsaken assassins there, if not the Horde player. Also again, not exactly an unreliable narrator. Just missing parts of a whole, pieced together by playing both sides.
You call stating the truth extremely pedantic? - That’s Story Forum Human Paladins for you.
Whether the whole Story Forum agrees about which version supersedes the other is telling… But it is only a guess.
An honest and knowledgeable WoW poster would surely know the history of retcons and post event clarifications. Especially concerning how raids integrate with the story. To state the Alliance version as canon one week into its release is jumping the gun. Especially considering the games history, since many times, we did not find out until much later which version was canon.
So I think it is extremely short sighted to jump the gun on declaring what is canon based on fan theories and differing dialogue. When there is no certitude from Blizzard either way.
I know most people here want to quickly brush aside any notion of Genn being a creep. But, again, there is no certainty of which version is canon yet.
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