Gearing issues

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With multiple sources of gear (raid, M+, PvP, crafting, world quest, vision) and systems like titanforge or corruption we have to sim every piece of gear to see if its even an upgrade. We are living in the wild west of gearing and it sucks. I feel systems like titanforge or corruption are taken from diablo 3 but its only half of the system which is why its broken. Its all about how you create a build. Your build in wow is a change of talents and possibly a change in stats where loads of gear could be used, which leads to the need to sim everything. A system like titanforge works in diablo 3 because your build is based around set pieces and set bonuses so as you get a titanforge (ancient in diablo) if its of the wrong set you know its not an upgrade and there is no need to sim every piece of gear.

So option 1 is they could make gearing even more like diablo with creating multiple gear sets to bring structure to titanforge or corruption gear. were the set bonuses are more powerful then any titanforge or corruption gear that would break the set.

Pros
return of a BiS list
possible rotation changing sets
only needing to sim to create a build

Cons
possibly the set you want dropping in content you dont want to play (like PvE not wanting to do PvP and vice versa, though i think there is a work around for this)
balance of sets ( though probably easier to balance then current corruption )
enough sets to fit everyone’s play styles ( myself i fistweave vs mistweave, and my friend runs a thermal void build instead of the glacial spike build )

Im sure there is probably more Pros and Cons these are just the easy ones that came to me.

Option 2 is they remove all titanforge and corruption systems.

Pros
return of a BiS list
still needing sims but much less frequent
current builds remain valid

Cons
for those needing to over gear to clear content this would hurt there ability to clear that content. ( there could be an upgrade system like at the end of MoP and WoD this just through out the expansion to gain 10 ilvl on gear so normal gear remains better then LFR gear and Heroic remains better then normal etc )

Option 3 we continue to live in the wild west of gear and sim everything.

Open to other ideas if anyone else has any. This is just my view and current thoughts on gearing in wow

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More options to get gear is not a bad thing…

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bro just right click the gear and stop complaining

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I am actually hoping that BFA will be the end of “forging” and the corruption system. I wouldn’t mind items with effects but the effects shouldn’t be massive boosts like we are seeing with corruption. But that said, we had to sim gear long before either of these system existed.

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I dont mind siming gear to create a BiS list so i know what to go after, honestly i like it. My main issue is having no idea if something is good and having to sim everything i get.

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what?

No we didn’t. No one needed raidbots to figure out if a piece of gear was an upgrade in MoP and earlier :stuck_out_tongue:

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Yes you did, because secondary stats actually mattered. Hell we had to sim back in Legion and we didn’t have AZ effects, crazy forging or corruption.

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If you have a brain, you actually don’t need to sim anything to tell if it’s an upgrade or not.

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“Forging” existed way before legion. You specifically said we had to Sim before the systems were in place. No, we didn’t Back in MoP if you needed to sim to determine if an item was an upgrade… well, I’m not sure I have a polite way to explain to you why. It was definitely not necessary by any stretch of the imagination. Upgrades were much clearer, and secondary stats have mattered since vanilla.

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TL:DR Warning!

I agree. It’s very EASY to obtain gear in BFA in many ways, however, the “systems” implemented in BFA makes gearing evern more of a pain for players who are just learning about 8.3 “systems” ontop of systems begining from 8.0 than just simply “right clicking” and go about your day with that piece of gear. I don’t always agree with Bellular or other “influencial” streamers ect..but Bellular made a very exceptional YT vid yesterday about the current “systems” in place within BFA and hoping they are not to bleed into Shadowlands.

For those of us expereinced players who obtain pieces of corrupted gear is a upgrade and good for your character without simming is based on expereince and knowledge of the current systems. As Bellular stated, many new or casual players are STILL having undecided emotions about 8.3 currently weather it’s good to “keep going” throough endless grinds until Shadowlands release in September possibly due to all of these blanketed systems. However, the main content that’s keeping players interested is the Horrific Visions.

Not sure how many people realize, but every piece of gear in the World Quest’s can proc Rank 3 Corruption and sim better than your current Rank 1 Corruption 465 gear pieces dispite ilvl. The RNG in corruption is more of a gamble than Mythic+ Weekly Chests. Even though we are guarenteed one piece of corruption gear from the Weekly Chests while World Quests can offer 10+ pieces every 12-24 hours! So, a fresh 120 character can be better than a seasoned BFA player based on corruption RNG. Top guilds for WF we’re also hunting down 415-420 gear for Rank 3 Corruption peieces. This goes to show ilvl does not matter as much when you have these corruption values that can proc in low gear. Sure, you may not survive the current corruption effects as a fresh lvl 120 without the cloak resistance, but atleast you have that Rank 3 corruption affix many players hoped to obtain. That’s mainly the issue.

I think the most issues arise from players is that they are simming gear just about every time they get a new piece of gear which they are unsure of if that extra 1-3k DPS is worth the extra +15, 25 or 30 corruption ontop of thier curent corruption values that may kill them in the long run due to being “over corrupted” dispite thier cloaks corruption resistance. This is why it is important you upgrade your cloak for those values so you don’t get over corrupted and have every corruption debiff slap you in the face every few seconds.

Some players have expressed the confusion with all these over lapping systems, Azerite gear/traits, Essences, 3 new types of currency, Horiffic Vision skill tree in the Chamber of Heart, new legendary cloak upgrading ect. To the average player, players want the old ways of WoTLK or Legion gear that when you got gear, you actually felt you were being “upgraded”, not punished with debuff stats that can kill you in Raids and M+. In WoTLK and Legion, when you got gear with additional affixes, you didn’t need to sim, you didnt need 1-2 addons to tell you “yep, it’s a upgrade, right click it!”, no, you KNEW by default that gear was a upgrade and you knew you were progressing your character unlike BFA where every piece is being simmed to ensure you’re out putting the most damage and not toally being over succumbed by corruption affixes.

All in all, I REALLY REALLY hope this type of gearing system and many of these BFA 8.3 systems are NOT in Shadowlands. Bring back WF/TF, have added values to base gear when recieved, makes us FEEL like we are upgrading our characters, not being sim bots with every piece of gear that we get. It’s exhausting.

Been playing WoW since May 2009, been through all of the good/bad times with gearing issues/systems, but honestly, BFA 8.3 is the worst gearing “system” experience not just for me, but for MANY others as well, weather they are “pro” or Veteran WoW players. Players who’ve just played nothing but BFA can’t really have much of a arguement about gearing in WoW, just don’t go there, you will lose that arguement. If Shadowlands is like WoTLK and “vanilla” Legion gearing (before Argus) expereince, myself and many others faith “may be” restored in Blizzard’s ability to listen to their community, we shall see. Thanks!

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You don’t have to sim… others have done that math and constantly do the math when changes come. Just looks for guides and use common sense and logic for the rest. I mean sure if you play for Method and you are racing in a world first then it’s important. If you are just a regular person playing the game that’s way too much thinking and work for it to be any fun. You might as well be an accountant or something because crunching numbers for a .001% gain is crazy talk.

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I got a ring with vers and mastery with void ritual tier 3 seemed like an update since WW stats are vers mastery crit, but it wasnt an update because of some the corruption items i have. My stats changed do to my corrupted items to crit vers mastery there is no pre-run sim some else could have run to tell me that.

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On the bright side, every piece of gear that drops could be an upgrade no matter the ilvl.

I’m sure it’s pure torture for those that are fixated on a linear bis gear path.

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Fair enough, if you are wearing something or using certain talents to achieve better aoe or better single target then sure it makes sense to not be gimping yourself and sims do help with that.