I will continue to buy any item I want in SoD. The ban is no longer enforced.
Even if I were to get banned, it’s better than letting losers dictate how I play in a game where nobody follows the rules.
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lol good for you champ
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It is good, I love how much purchasing loot makes you people seethe.
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I don’t care what you do, but I probably wouldn’t be announcing on the forums you’re doing GDKPs in SOD, assuming you’re not just full of it to just to try and “own” your posting enemies.
Why not? Like 2 people work on WoW at this point.
People openly exploit and make tutorials on how to do it and nobody ever gets punished because we are just subscription cattle.
Greed drives inflation people don’t want to spend time farming consumes to sell on the AH if they aren’t making a good profit naturally as the game progresses people have more gold the prices of things go up.
That’s why on whitemane which is the oldest active era server prices are getting a lot higher e.g 200-500g flasks because everyone has tons of gold that late into a server and nobody is going to spend hours farming materials to make flasks to sell them for 20g when they know people have 10,000’s of thousands of gold.
GDKP’s don’t bring new gold into the economy it only redistributes gold that is already in circulation of the economy.
The reason SOD isn’t suffering as bad from inflation isn’t because of gdkp ban its because of 2 main reasons.
a) The servers are only halfway through its cycle (bwl with aq then naxx the cycle isn’t even finished where as whitemane has a long time ago.
b) SOD implemented major classic changes that changed the entire way the economy works in classic some main mentions would be
- Gathering nodes increased in amount gained per node and respawn rates.
- Boxes from dungeon currency that give materials
- Procs on crafting professions like xmute and potion mastery
- Procs on all major cooldowns e.g mooncloth and rugged hide
These had a direct contribution to keeping the economy stable nothing to do with gdkp’s if these were implemented into classic era whitemane right now you would see a decrease in inflation on consumables within a week.
Factually incorrect.
Once again easy solution to all of this is to have a server with them and a server without keeps everyone happy.
You don’t ruin how i want to play the game i don’t ruin how you want to play the game everyone wins nobody should be against that.
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Tldr you are wrong but
Can’t argue with facts my friend unlucky.
Yet here you are, even though blizzard gave out the facts.
Right, but I would argue that the amount of bots in a game does inflate the economy. And I would argue that GDKP’s attract more bots (the skinning bots) to go and farm gold and then proceed to sell that gold. The reason this is worse than the summoning bots situation is because in that its gold from players so no gold enters the economy. Versus in the skinner bot situation you got gold entering the economy. GDKP’s are perfect in a world where no one bought gold, it’s just sad that isn’t the world we are in.
My only worry here is fracturing the player base too much. Like now we have RPPVP, RP, PVP, PVE, GDKPPVE, GDKPPVP. I think that just splits us too many different ways.
Right and i would argue that’s a bot problem not a gdkp problem.
Ban bots and ban people who rmt don’t ban gdkp’s.
gdkp’s are perfect anyway that’s why they are the most popular method of raiding.
In a perfect world we wouldn’t have rmt or bots and gdkp’s would still be awesome.
Welcome to ignore and reported for trolling.
Also right, here but how do we get rid of the bot problem? Blizzard isn’t going to get GM’s to solve the issue, and it’s obvious that it’s the cybersecurity problem. Basically you solve the problem, and then the attacker adapts and finds a different way to exploit the issue and get around the solution. I am a software engineer working on deep reinforcement learning (AI) and we will eventually get to a future where bots will be exactly the same as a normal player and will be undetectable. So if you can’t fix the bots, the only thing to kill is the thing causing the bots, which in the end sadly is GDKP.
The only way the bot problem will ever go away is if Blizzard goes private.
It makes no sense for them to deny botters buying subscriptions as a company run by accountants.
Also GDKP causing bots is a total nonsense take. Any MMO with a healthy population and tradable currency will have RMT and bots.
If blizzard wanted to end botting and rmt they could but why would they do this when its still revenue for them and blizzard is a multi billion dollar company setup for profit ?
Sure they will ban them in waves just to say they are against it but we both know there’s plenty more they could do to ban botting.
As players we already know how to see/find bots like you said all it takes is 1 gm to get them.
Which means banning gdkp’s isn’t going to do anything and that’s exactly why gold buying/selling and botting still exists.
Except before gdkp was popular gold selling and bots still existed and in games where gdkp’s aren’t a thing currency selling and bots is still a thing which means gdkp isn’t the reason for bots or rmt.
That’s the fact of it and you aren’t going to change my mind on that.
HR runs, why risk getting banned from receiving dirty gold.
Also not all HR runs are created equal. Most MC/BWL runs you see are guild runs looking for 2-3 more people that are only HR Legendary’s or Elementium.
It’s not revenue. Most Bot accounts are paid for by stolen debit/credit cards. Blizzard has to refund the money and often times may need to pay a fine.
I could ask the same thing to you here, if they know that GDKP makes money because it attracts more bots. Why did they get rid of GDKP? My opinion on this is that they know the kind of problem that they are dealing with and they believe it’s a waste of resources, hence why they do the simple ban waves on reported characters every so often. And yeah they probably are doing it for the sub money.
Actually, I would argue that GDKP bans are effective here. The reason bots exist is arguably the need for gold because that is what they are selling (Supply and Demand). And in SoD I haven’t seen very many bots lately due to the lack of need for gold. If GDKPs exist it essentially creates an infinite void where you may need gold. Maybe even thousands of gold for 1 singular item.
Oh no I’ve read the other forum that you made on GDKP and know there is no changing your mind, and I can respect that. Of course gold/currency selling existed before GDKP, there is still the need for gold even without the existence of GDKP.
This is basic supply and demand. Imagine a Pie Chart that shows where the gold from gold sellers go. If you are going to argue to me that GDKP has no cut in that pie, then I think you are mistaken.
It was a test as they said themselves one which failed significantly based off the massive drop in playerbase and also reverted in sod taiwan due to how many players stopped playing.
It wasn’t implemented anywhere else outside of NA/EU sod and has remained that way since because they now know it was a failure it heavily impacted player numbers and did not stop bots or rmt.
Correct and in your arguement which is that gdkp’s cause rmt/botting its flawed because without gdkp there is still gold selling and bots people still need gold for consumes / boes / mounts / alts and whatever else they want to spend gold on.
More people started purchasing gold after the gdkp ban than prior because there were less ways to make easy gold.
The playerbase which are now older mid 30’s have jobs families work commitments they don’t have time to go out farming imaginery currency and there idea is they can better invest that time in work and family and just buy gold to avoid wasting time in game which is exactly what happens.
The reason why gdkp’s became so popular outside of actually being a superior system is it allowed these players to do what they enjoy which is play the game in raids and make gold at the same time which removed any reason for gold buying.
Not true for it to be an infinite void it would also require an infinite void of new players who need items which isn’t the case.
After a few runs people have gold and players obtain the items they need most items significantly drop in price along with the overall pot at end of each raid.
The only things that usually hold any value over a phase are big ticket items that don’t drop often e.g for bwl drake fang talisman or chromatically tempered sword.
So you admit that gold selling/bots existed pre gdkp which means gdkp’s arent the reason for them as the practice predated them.
If you respect my choice on how i want to play the game you wouldn’t be arguing against gdkp’s you would be arguing against rmt/bots.
You’d also support a solution that allows both of us to play the game we enjoy how we want which would be having a server with them and server without them.
That pie chart would also include the auction house , mounts , boes , alts , players who dont want to farm gold and prefer to buy it and any other useful way to spend gold.
You think removing gdkp’s stopped people buying items ? people can still gdkp in discords they can still “buy items” with real money or gold they just do it outside of the game and people are still going to buy and sell gold.
Load up any gold selling website select your server and you will see yourself 100’s of sellers.
Are you sure we can correlate that to GDKP specifically? Gnomergan and ST kinda sucked lol. For Taiwan servers I do believe that was the primary effect as a very, very vast majority play that way and it would lead to the literal death of their server.
This is mainly this that I am talking about. It’s not infinite. But it becomes a competition of who has more gold. And when some guy gets 5k, the other competitor needs 5k at least. Then after that, the original guy could get even more gold, and the loop continues. Now this is in a scenario where the others know each other’s gold, which is likely not the case, so you’re right here.
GDKP’s weren’t the reason that gold buying started, but became a reason for gold buying over time.
I do respect your choice. But saying they should try more to stop bots isn’t a feasible solution, I do however agree with you that this is the primary issue. With AI Blizzard will not tell a difference in 5 years, so why pay people to solve a problem that will eventually be unsolvable?
Yes I do support this kind of solution.
You’re also right here, but the question is before the GDKP ban what % of this chart was because of GDKP? Legitmitately a good question that none of us have the answers to.
Yeah, there will always be those willing to take the extra steps to buy their gear/loot with rmt.
I think GDKP is a good loot system, but under the condition that all of the gold in it was earned legitimately. So yes, I am not against GDKP but am instead against RMT. But I don’t see any way we get rid of RMT, so where else do I point my finger besides GDKP? I don’t want my favorite game to be defined by those who swiped a credit card. I the game to be defined by those who are friends in raiding guilds going in and clearing with the same people every week. When I look at someone in full tier 2, I want to think dang he must have gotten geared in his guild. Maybe this is my problem, I don’t know.
The significant player drops coincided 1 week after the gdkp ban announcement.
Am i saying gdkp’s were the sole reason for the drop no but it was a major part of it for sure gnomer did suck but nobody had even seen gnomer before the player drop happened.
After that the playerbase continually dropped anything that removes players from your game especially a large portion of them is not a good thing.
That’s where playing alts and being more active comes into play the more alts and more raids you participate in the more your rewarded the easier it is for you to obtain some of those items if you don’t want to wait till the price drops.
While i don’t like rmt and bots and if i had a choice i wish they never existed in our game the upside is that if someone chooses to buy gold which is essentially cheating at least if they use the gold in a gdkp the entire group benefits from that cheater and at the end of the day they are losers for using real money on a game.
So should we ban the auction house and remove boes ? remove epic mounts of make them cost 1g so there’s no value to the game currency at all ? or should we focus on the problem not the symptom ?
I guess keep removing anything currency related until you destroy your own game and hate playing it because its not fun anymore is probably the only solution if you think banning gdkp’s was a good step.
I’ve always believed a human gm could monitor a server and slowly ban bots and gold sellers having 1 gm per server minimum would be a good start.
Perfect then there’s no reason for any arguement we both get to play how we want players get the choice and let them decide which way they want to play the game.
This would be the most ideal situation for any legitimate player who likes gdkp’s i can tell you as someone who has never bought gold that people buying gold isn’t good for gdkp’s.
Sure you will get more gold but your spending time and not getting gear gdkp’s work best when all rmt is removed because the item prices reflect a normal persons gold and extra effort from playing/farming more is obviously rewarded.
Start by not removing ways for people to spend gold but promoting more access to gold and items making the gold less valuable.
SOD took a good step in the direction with all the profession changes which stabilized the consume/crafting market and gave players easy ways to make gold and have access to cheap consumes.
They failed with the gdkp ban.
Most gdkp players i know have never bought gold there’s always going to be that 1 guy or “Whale” but they are never around long because they get bored / run out of money or get caught and perm banned which is a good thing.