Let’s Chesterton’s Fence this thing up.
Someone who hates GDKP and wants it removed from the game give me your best explanation of what value is added by GDKP raiding.
Can you do it?
The value is that people who dont want to spend time in the game can get whatever item they want if they have sufficient $.
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Is there any real value added? It’s no different then any other raid. Loots not really guaranteed either way.
It does help people who RMT pay their rent so I guess there’s that.
Every GDKP I’ve done has either had blatant gold buyers/sellers and raiders who only come to boost the pot with no intention of actually buying and just raising the bids.
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Chesterton’s fence remains undefeated.
While this is, I think, partially true, I think there are stronger arguments in favor of GDKP than this.
It helps feed people in the third world?
GDKP by itself is not an issue on the condition the participants are playing with earned gold.
The bot swarms aren’t doing that for free. There is high demand for buying gold in the game. It is very unlikely that GDKP isn’t a major contributor to that demand
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You don’t have people dropping once the boss that has the item they need doesn’t drop.
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False. Gdkps is cancer no matter where the gold is sourced. It subverts the game’s design of BoP raid gear and reduces raiding to a soulless transaction.
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You don’t understand Chesterton’s Fence.
You’re presuming much and contributing nothing. Further, you’re not the post to which I was initially responding. Follow context clues before making additional baseless claims.
How does it subvert the design of BoP raid gear if everyone has to physically be present in the raid and actually kill the boss?
The only difference between a soft res group going into a raid and killing the bosses and a gdkp group going into a raid and killing the bosses is the method in which the loot is distributed.
Its not a “souless” transaction, if anything its even more community oriented, as everyone in the group is benefiting from the raid instead of just a lucky few
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This rarely happens and if it does the person is only going to hurt himself.
The same way people get blacklisted in gdkps if they dont buy something… nevermind that the item they really want hasnt drop. If an item drops that they can use… they are force to bid on it and if you dont. They threaten to blacklist you. I guess that group most of been a bit short on the rent for the month. LOL
DKP with a legitimately earned currency from playing the game is fine. Using gold as the currency is bad and is where all the problems come from.
Wrong. GOLD as the currency for DKP subverts the game design and diminishes the community activity that is raiding.
I believe the source does matter.
But since that is currently undetectable for the player, I cannot support GDKP through my participation. If players and Blizzard could control themselves and drastically reduce the flow of illicit gold then my opinion could change.
GDKP for pug loot distribution is more transparent and encourages the raid to remain intact until the end. LC is my preferred method for guild runs.
My apologies, OP, as I’ve not the incentive to argue strongly pro-GDKP at this time. But I’m not against it if the excesses can be addressed.
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If this were the case then devs would have made raid loot BoE.
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Oh the drama you’d see!
Ever been in a gdkps? Smooth runs where people listen because gold is on the line. Characters that are fully geared can earn gold instead of deleting brain cells doing the same 20 daily quests every day on 5 chars. At the end of the run even if you got no loot, you still get a cut. Peoples preference being a gdkp over hr, sr, tmb,or loot council. There you got plenty of reasons. Negatives are just that people can/will engage in gold buying that are unable to gain gear or raids other loot styles. And the wow token takes a nice cut out of that. If you want to try to act smart with that type of logic then the ah is a much larger culprit in rmt.
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You keep ignoring that gdkp raids clear the raids just the same as any other loot system
It doesn’t subvert anything. And the community aspect is the same
Deathknight spitting its cancer right on time!