the math isn’t a theorized belief… it’s actual data collected. You are one of the most dense people I’ve spoken with in awhile. The bots add more than humans by A LOT… if you don’t think so you are ignorant beyond being reasoned with. I’m done here.
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No, what bots do is channel the gold to a smaller group of people sooner than would otherwise happen. That’s distinctly different than claiming they add more gold total.
And sorry if you think people couldn’t have 10’s of thousands of gold perfectly legitimately you are simply wrong.
You believe the earth is flat too?
You’re the one claiming it is despite all evidence to the contrary.
you haven’t showed any evidence… i showed you that video which shows mathematical evidence. but you decided to ignore it or say “tHe mAtH iS wRoNg”
show me the evidence you claim proves that humans farm more gold than the bots do it or i’m not replying again, cuz at this point this is just ridiculous arguing with you. You’re a brick wall.
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No, that video is making the assumption that farming is the only way to acquire gold legitimately. So yes its math is wrong because it’s based on a faulty assumption.
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Thsi thread got derailed by these 2 going back and forth. Either get this thread back on track or I’ma mark it as spam.
I will add one thing to this back and forth thou as I have sadly read all of it and that is Ziryus you are wrong. Bots make up most of the gold.
Just because someone has more gold than you doesn’t mean they bought it.
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I think the issue here is that you are arguing on the micro level (individual gold owner) and it seems like the others are arguing (or should be arguing) on a macro level regarding the amounts of gold available in each server as a whole. In this case, I believe that is the actual issue here. It isn’t that GDKP runs wouldn’t happen. They would. It is more that the astronomical prices people pay / earn from those runs would be lower. How much lower? Not sure. But enough so that the economies for other mats would likely be lower requiring less farming from those not doing GDKP runs (or just not requiring GDKP runs to afford to be able to play alts, etc.).
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Personally, I could care less about GDKP runs. They would be a thing with or without purchased gold / botters / etc. I do think the points regarding how GDKP runs currently function as a way to launder botted gold into the broader economy are valid. I haven’t seen anyone really refute that and at this point I think anyone trying to do so is silly. That isn’t their only function, but it definitely is one of them. That said, the run itself isn’t the problem. It is that the amounts of gold on top of what legitimate players would earn that are in the system are inflating the prices for everything else.
I wont dispute the math in the video, but can we acknowledge that the 198k sword is an outlier and not the norm in most gdkps?. Typical gkdps don’t even approach that for all items total.
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Which is objectively false. GDKPs have been around at least as early as Wrath, at least on my small little server of Ysondre. People would drop rather large sums of money on ICC25 trinkets/weapons, as well as large sums to get the meta achievement done for ICC10 and ICC25. I geared up four Tanks running them, everyone with epic flying, and tons of spare cash ready to go the moment Cataclysm released.
Linking bots to GDKP is silly. GDKP exists with or without botting, the same as AH usage, individual trade-chat spamming, etc.
Let’s assume he did efficient DME runs for 2-3 hours, 4 days a week since… Nov '19 until last Dec. If he only got 80g/hr doing so, that’s 33,280 - 49,920g from a low and casual amount of gold farming. You’re also assuming he made no other gold from any other legitimate sources whatsoever which is just silly. With just a few months of that kind of steady gold income you would have tons to play the AH with, netting you even more money. On the smaller servers you could even have the buying power to corner markets for short periods of time. Never mind the hundreds of gold made weekly from knocking out raids, 5-mans, etc.
Finally, this guy was in a GDKP for Naxx to get his weapon. It is highly unlikely he had done no other GDKPs prior, meaning he could have easily net himself several thousands of gold weekly if he had enough raid able alts to run through, especially if he was frugal about picking up loot on alts he doesn’t care that much about so he could prioritize his main.
I mean seriously, I can casually make 700+ gold a week from a single alt parked in a spot where I can log in, snag a few Mithril nodes, and log out, provided both the bars and the Solid Stone continue to sell decently well. My wife clears 600-800 weekly from camping a particular Plaguebloom node, simply by setting a timer and checking the computer while doing other stuff around the house.
Gold isn’t hard to come by in the slightest, and some people make it their life’s mission to acquire insane amounts of it. The reason popular farming streamers and guides get so popular is because they like to show off a bag full of items and 100k+ gold just sitting on more than one character. It isn’t like we have much to use it on other than player-player economic interactions so… why not?
This.
The biggest bid I’ve seen for anything is 9k gold, and that was for a DFT and it was only due to two people going at it hard for like 10min+. The guy who won it had to be loaned gold from guildies to cover the immediate cost, which he will supposedly pay back eventually I guess (I hope). I know Naxx stuff goes for tons, but completely casual folks with pretty cheap bids happening can still walk away from multiple clean and quick BWL and AQ40 runs and snag 400-700g pots each. A few thousand dropped here and there is nothing if you do a week or two of these kinds of GDKPs with several alts. The first 2.2k I dropped was a bit of a sting… now I could drop that on multiple items if I needed. It just isn’t that crazy.
Misinterpreted a bit, objectively false yes but not totally what I meant… GDKP would exist regardless, I know this… what I mean was the ludacris amounts of gold going around are cuz of bots, not legit farming. Also the Willie video I linked goes over that DME “potential” gold gains. Starts at about 3:40 in.
Sorry, I’m not watching any Youtube videos. Just give me one number, how much gold exactly are you claiming bots generate on a weekly basis?
he goes over the math in detail with graphs and charts from data collected… it’s very well done.
There’s literally nothing that can be done about GDKP because they will always happen, no matter how much gold is floating around. It’s a raid method now, and is very popular.
It’s also very misleading in trying to imply that it is at all the norm for GDKP’s.
I’m not really all that interested in dissecting his video to be honest, especially since it is self-admittedly a guess based around Arcane Crystal prices and incredulity that anyone would spend so much time and so much money in one place, plus he’s taking the word of the buyer of “lots and lots of DME” which is not an exhaustive sourcing of legitimate gold, and he very well could have amassed 40-50k from DME alone.
If you asked me where I got most of my gold, I’d say ZF and Mithril farming since it powered a lot of gold I needed… but honestly now? I probably have earned far more from GDKP.
I can appreciate the attempt, but it hinges on far too much assumption and bad faith assessment.
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that’s fine because there’s nothing really to dissect as the data from the graphs and charts he pulls up is pretty concrete. He has a couple other recent videos on gold and gdkp too, i havn’t watched them, perhaps I will check em out as I’m not busy atm. My rogue is world buffed and ready to go to naxx at 8.
Just because there’s a lot of videos from flat earthers doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
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Willie has nothing to gain from this thou, he’s not trying to prove anything, he’s just showing the evidence and is good at it