Gdkp is where you go to make gold, SR is where you get gear.
Whiners will whine
At least 2/3 of all pug runs on Earthfury Horde are GDKP, idk if you actually partake in them but they are the vast majority of pugs.
I never said there were no SR pugs either? I’m not sure where I said that if you could quote me since I already know there are still weekly AQ40/Naxx SR pugs… a lot of the weekly SR pugs for things like MC/Ony just stopped running altogether.
…do you think guilds use gdkp as a loot system for guild runs?
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This is what kills me. I could probably run BWL GDKPs on my Mage and get 8/8 Tier 2 without spending hardly any gold at all since those pieces just aren’t highly sought after. An 8/8 T2 Mage can do literally any content with just a bit of effort to get half-decent rings/trinkets, etc.
So silly.
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No, GDKPs are used as a means of supporting the actual guild runs.
Consumables aren’t going to pay for themselves and people can’t reliably farm for the mats required for consumables. This forces guild-members to pay for what they need on the AH.
I’ve posted this elsewhere, but I’ll do so here for the sake of people who don’t quite understand how the GDKP market works and keeps bots well-fed.
They just recycle it and they use Players as a proxy. GDKP are essentially mules. This is why it’s difficult to find out who is at “fault” for the current market. Here’s my working theory on how the current system works:
The way players will try to earn gold and remain competitive is to rely on GDKP runs. They will do this regardless of the fact that GDKP indirectly keeps bot system up and running.
Bots have major influence over the market. If you’re buying Black Lotus, Plaguebloom, or whatever else you need for raids, there’s always a chance you’re buying your stuff from a bot and not a real player.
The gold you used to buy your mats is then recycled. It is traded to other players in exchange for real-world money. The gold through RMT can then used in the GDKP market to buy items. Remember the guy who spent 198k for Gressil?
So where does the gold go after the GDKP is over? Naturally, that gold can be used to buy more things on the AH which have been farmed by bots. And the cycle continues…
Here’s what this looks like more simplified:
Bots farm mats (Black Lotus, Plaguebloom, etc)
GDKP Raiders spend gold to buy mats from Bots
Bots sell gold to Player A
Player A uses gold they just bought to bid on items in GDKP Raid
GDKP Raiders walk away with lots of gold
GDKP Raiders spend gold on mats
and those mats were farmed by Bots…
The problem with the community isn’t bots. It’s players who are taking other players’ gold without question because it benefits them to do so. It’s like saying, “I’m not cheating. I’m just paid by those who do cheat.”
And people will excuse themselves from any fault by saying things like, “Hey, how am I supposed to know where the gold is coming from?!”
As if they weren’t going to accept a payout either way. Moreover, the Gehennas Server example with the 198,000g payout for Gressil shows that the people running GDKPs do NOT care about their community. They really only care about stocking their wallets. Every “normie” who is trying to play the game according to Blizzard’s rules is getting screwed by players who have switched to GDKP and Boosting as their primary sources of income.
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Just a friendly reminder for those who don’t quite understand. Mobi is a troll who has no actual experience with GDKP’s and bases his entire drivel on one click bait you tube video.
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Everything that follows in this post is tripe.
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https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1317177-GDKP-Raids-not-allowed-anymore
Post of interest:
"Isolatius
Customer Service Representative
Hello there,
This is Isolatius from the Game Master department here at Blizzard Entertainment. Thank you for taking the time to contact us. You have been correctly informed the GDKP runs are unsupported transactions and are discouraged.
This change in stance went into place nearly 2 years ago.
The reasoning was that while there were many legitimate runs, a large percentage or runs ended in a scam or dispute of some sort on how the gold should be split.
Also, in many cases the buyers would end up buying gold beforehand which became a real mess when it was uncovered that the gold had been acquired by the gold selling company in a compromise. Explaining to “carriers” that we had to take back their gold that they had earned in the run due to it having come from a compromised account was a real mess and wasn’t a situation we wanted others to be in going forward
These days, we treat these runs much like in-game “casinos” which is to say that if people engage in this activity, and everyone goes away happy, we don’t really mind, but if there is some sort of dispute, it can lead to account suspension for the hosting player. We will also not reimburse any sort of losses that occur.
It is worth noting, that simply advertising a casino is a serious violation and can result in account action just for advertising. GDKP raids aren’t at that same level, but are otherwise pretty much in the same boat.
Hopefully that helps give you some background on the situation. I was working these kind of reports back when the change was made, and I can assure you that things were out-of-control when this stance change went into effect.
Please let us know if you have further questions or concerns about this
Also, on a side note, we do NOT allow bots, and regularly ban tens of thousands of botters. If you happen to suspect a player of botting, please let us know using the in-game reporting option.
Also, its worth noting the vast majoirty of botting is done on compromised accounts by gold selling companies. Some of their most noticeably activity includes the “teleport hack miners”. If you see any of these, please let us know as soon as possible so we can secure the account and get it back to the owner.
We appreciate your time and understanding in this matter. Please feel free to contact us if you require any further assistance. We hope you continue to enjoy your experience in World of Warcraft!
Isolatius
Customer Services
Blizzard Entertainment"
They don’t condone or support them because they’re so easily scammed - though properly led ones (which all of mine in experience have been) aren’t a scam. It’s gold trading and Blizzard won’t do anything to protect people involved.
They also removed ML for similar reasons.
Blizzard doesn’t outright ban them, though. Obviously.
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There’s no way you can know this. Ever. Or do you have some kind of window as to how the people bidding on loot earned their gold? How can you be sure people aren’t just making false bids to inflate the prices?
This is why Blizzard won’t do anything to protect people–the system has no oversight.
Part of connecting the dots between botting and GDKP just has to do with knowing that the supply needs to meet the demand. If someone bids on an item in GDKP, that gold enters the server’s economy and will have rippling effects thereafter. This means average joes trying to play the game normally are going to see inflated prices on the AH and thing, “WTF is going on?”
But the GDKP folks don’t care. It’s basically a form of playing the game where you can say, “I didn’t cheat. I just benefited from people who cheated.”
Ever GDKP I’ve been in is very open about how much gold is in the pot, how much the bids are and what the split is. So yes I’m very confident I’m not getting scammed.
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This guy has covered this topic in depth in a lot of his vids. This particular one is quite eloquent:
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Yeah, I haven’t heard of a single scam GDKP in Classic.
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There’s no such thing as false bids, or you get blacklisted. People who bid gold are expected to pay up - and this can bite people in the behind. And because of how cooperative the community is, this has actually lead guild masters and officers talking to members of their guild who did just this in a GDKP.
And even then, bidding up is the name of the game - either to increase payout or just be mean. That’s between the people bidding, not everyone else, and it’s part of how it works.
I couldn’t care less where other peoples’ gold came from. If I did, I’d never use the AH either. GDKPs bankroll my consumables.
The fact you think GDKPs are somehow worse than everything else that has bot/RMT gold flowing through it is funny though.
I haven’t seen a single bot in Classic.
And that’s why the bot companies are so successful and continue doing what they do. They have no incentive to stop as long as GDKP folks keep them fed.
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You do realize that there’s no real way to ensure none of their gold enters the economy right? The moment someone who buys gold buys something off the AH, it’s in circulation. So long as there’s any trading at all, there’s RMT gold.
You act as if the sole purpose of GDKP is to spread RMT gold.
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Of course. But banning GDKP would be a nice start.
For everyone taking advantage of the “mule”, it might as well be.
Except that’d be a negative thing because people actually use it to make gold. I do. And I also use it to gear my characters outside of guild runs, which is also nice.
I’d rather not leave everything to random chance and instead have a better chance by using my pooled gold.
You just sound like you’re singling out GDKP and ignoring literally every other way RMT gold enters the economy.