The problem with your logic is that you want your gold that you farm to have no real value. Your reasoning is based on the value of the time you spend farming your own gold.
By allowing the gold you farm to be traded on an exchange for other products and services makes the gold YOU farm have more value for your time.
The real problem is when more time and resources are spent on preventing something that the demand overwhelms.
The convergence of AI, MMORPGs and SIMs will be the future of gaming. While I have never purchased or sold WoW gold, I have purchased and sold thousands in digital assets in other virtual realms.
Blizzard introducing housing is a step in that direction, would be cool to buy a home on a Classic server, because Classic is my home. I want to decorate that home, have a garden, etc…
this sounds more like opinion than a written rule that sanctions the loot method.
gdkp has never been sanctioned by blizzard, at best it has been allowed to operate in a grey area. not trying to be obtuse, im trying to understand the actual rules.
i agree about moving forward that gdkp will continue to operate in that grey area in mists.
operating in a grey area doesnt mean its supported tho.
if the gdkp organizer decides to take the gold pot for himself, is blizzard going to correct that? i dont think they will in the same way they said that if you get scammed trading gold across regions, youre SOL.
and there are a few reddit posts about this happening. i guess its reddit so who knows with that, but there are at least some accounts of this happening with no action being taken by blizzard
I have no doubt. But again I am not using “supported” in the same meaning.
If you CAN do it, that’s my criteria for using the word supported.
If you are talking officially supported and blizzard has put their weight behind it, then there are several things like Loot council, and SR/HR that are also not officially “supported”.
I don’t doubt that. Scumbags will be scumbags. Never happened to me, but I always ran with the established server discord for gdkps.
Same reason I will never buy an expensive enchant or anything from someone whos guild I don’t recognize, or unguilded.
yes, all these loot systems operate in grey area that dont have official policy behind them. being in the grey area doesnt automatically make it bad tho. that isnt the point im trying to make.
and you can still be scammed in those loot systems too, and blizzard also wont correct those either.
but if people were using these methods to launder rmt gold, or were caught selling hr’s or something, for gold or real cash, i would expect those systems to be banned too. this probably does happen to some degree. i cant in good faith argue that it never happens, and if it does happen its likely way off the radar from blizzard. hopefully that changes if thats the case.
i agree in full about the final statement. if i dont recognize the guild i generally dont do business with that player, especially if theyre under level 60, or if they are level 60 but dont have current gear.
this inadvertently brings up another issue- guild culture. this is besides the point of the gdkp ban, but the ban definitely brought back guild culture, and outside of a few high ticket items (like 55 healing during p1 and 2 for example when not a ton of people had it yet, or crusader or something) i dont realy need to go to another guild (our guild has 2.5 full raid groups that are non alts, plus another full alt raid group) for that stuff anymore.
i understand not everyone has a guild like that tho.
Yeah, I only seek outside guild enchants and stuff if I don’t feel like waiting for them to get on, or don’t wanna bother them.
I have been part of the same guild for like 8 years. We played private servers before classic and through most of cata. Played a little bit of retail for a bit too.
We fielded 3 different raid teams in guild raids during tbc/wrath, one focused on speed/server first, one super late at night, and another one for more casual players.
GDKPs were a huge positive for us. We could sell items we no longer needed, and use that gold to send members to gdkps to buy items (like dst) that we never saw enough of.
Everyone was always online, because there was always some gdkp raid you could sign up for.
It is a shame that the system is abused by RMT, but we want to go about the solution differently. I would like them to implement a better system to detect gold sellers and gold buyers. Because their current system is terrible. Instead they go to ban gdkp to make enforcement easier, because the amount of gold that moves through gdkps is a lot of work to sort through and requires substantial manual detective work.
this is actually amazing. i did not play with guilds back in the day (tbh i didnt really understand the game well enough as a whole to allow my character to thrive in such an environment and mostly focused on pvp) and the first iteration of classic in 2019 rubbed me the wrong way so i quit during p2.
i have not played retail since… legion? i leveled a toon in bfa but never made it to max and got bored. legion was the last one i really dived into as far as retail goes.
i had this discussion with another player on the other end of the spectrum. we both agreed that the root cause of the problem is blizzards lack of enforcement. what youre talking about, botting, gold sellers and buyers etc. they thrive becuase of lack of enforcement, and blizzard knows this. if this was ACTUALLY enforced we wouldnt even need to have this conversation.
but this is the takeaway i think. making enforcement easier. if they did this with boosting also it would have an even greater effect. but it realy comes down to lack of enforcement.
i think it can exist without rmt, but rmt is what makes gdkp lucrative.
any organizer who says theyll take the honest farmer over the rmt’er is lying to themselves, and everyone else.
rmt is why gdkp thrives. it would become much less popular tho if the overall cut at the end was reduced by 70% because whales arent throwing several thousands around for each lockout on each character they gdkp with.
absolutely agree with this. i dont think we’ll ever truly know.
if blizzard can accomplish this, and enforce it, i wouldnt be opposed to having a gdkp server. i just dont think we’ll ever get to that point unfortunately, because the way i see it is that as long as anyone can farm gold, there will be someone willing to buy it with real money.
and i have no idea how this could be addressed fairly without completely removing gold as a currency.
That would be a difficult one to accept for me.
Trade is one of those things that contributes to the “rpg-ness” in my opinion.
Shedding that to fight rmt?
Dunno if I could take that for the team and not just walk.
Could we compromise with just not being able to trade gold? Either through the trade window or mail? AH is nothing to me and would glad give those gobs the finger then be rid of it. But I like barter so I’d like some trade. I have to talk with people and makes the game world feel alive to me.