Garrosh didn't care about the Horde

[Dreadmoon-saurfang (Dreadmoon)]

[Bamma-icecrown (Bamma)]

So garrosh was trump

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

@Queak-zuljin

He cared about his perceived injustices that were wrought on him by Thrall and others.

I’m not the biggest fan of Garrosh, but I will say he had a point when Thrall basically screwed him up. You don’t toss someone warchief, who says quite blatantly he’s not ready, and then disappear.

@Queak-zuljin

Maybe he did care about the Horde at some point, like back in Wrath or Cata, or in the now-officially-declared-as-non-canon story of honor in stonetalon that people like to reference.

When was Stonetalon considered non-canon? Did someone make a post?

[Brewa-hyjal]

I’m glad we can all agree that Garrosh was totally unsuited to ever be warchief. (Or, for that matter, do the simplest job like work the ice cream cart. But that’s another issue.)

The thing is, the people who suffered under Garrosh was the entire Horde.

But Garrosh only ever thinks about himself.

So it’s not “You put me in charge and I ruined the Horde.” No. Instead, what we get from Garrosh is “You put me in charge and failed ME.”

Because in Garrosh’s toddler-esque mind, everything is about him.

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

No I get all that, I’m not complaining about that. I’m just saying he does kind of have a point when he references Thrall. Does it justify his actions? No, course not. Is it an excuse? Nah. It’s just a factor.

[Brewa-hyjal]

Right, but Garrosh’s whole take on the thing just reinforces what a despicable piece of trash he is.

Did Thrall massively screw up by appointing him?

Yes, of course.

But in Garrosh’s pea brain, the only consequences of that which matter are what happened to him as a result. What happened to everyone else doesn’t matter to him.

[Tombouctou-azshara]

@Queak-zuljin

@Tombouctou-azshara

I am rather disappointed that this is the last we will see of Garrosh Hellscream.

It’s the last we’ll see of our Garrosh. However, considering the story arc that Garrosh came from, apparently even a death after death possibly won’t be enough to keep someone out of the story forevermore.

Perhaps, but I was led to understand that if someone “dies” in the Shadowlands, they are fully dead in that their souls are wholly obliterated? Unless you mean some alternate upstart version Garrosh could pop up at some point? I certainly hope not. I would rather they give us the original Garrosh back or to not bother.

[Xyrtran-medivh]

“His” version of the horde is what actually matters to him. Nothing else. And his deep hatred for thrall.

[Queak-zuljin]

Yeah I meant they could barge in with an AU Garrosh anytime they want. Because after all, he’s supposedly one of the Orcs’ greatest heroes in most timelines, and it’s just OUR Garrosh that is one of the darkest and most twisted incarnations of himself.

Likewise, I hope they do not introduce one as a major character. It might be ok for a tiny cameo of us seeing what one would be like, as long as they promptly got rid of him from the story again.

[Murlocks-frostmane]

"To Be Horde" quest *SPOILER ALERT* - World of Warcraft Cataclysm

[Kiwì-dentarg (Kiwì)]

@Queak-zuljin

He cared more about himself and his own hatreds than anything else.

He was never leadership material. If you go back and do the old quests and read the books that contained him, you’ll see this for yourself. He was all about himself first.

[Ralanthel-thrall (Ralanthel)]

I really dislike what they did with Garrosh in this patch. In the WoD cinematic where he died, he was given a brief moment of vulnerability during the Mak’gora where he pretty much admits to Thrall that he felt overburdened and abandoned and he cracked under the pressure. It wasn’t much, but it was just a slight heart string tug.

Then the Revendreth Afterlives featuring Garrosh felt right because Garrosh could have been an amazingly valiant Orc and leader. He was a good character for redemption.

Seeing him get maw’ed and turned into an ash pile is exactly what happened to him in MoP, which was Blizzard focusing on his worst attributes instead of his best ones.

[Felsavior-zuljin (Felsavior)]

@Tombouctou-azshara

I am rather disappointed that this is the last we will see of Garrosh Hellscream.

I’d rather see Garrosh die now than be ruined by blizzards writing. Just look what they have done to Baine and Sylvanas.

Die a good character or live long enough to see yourself become a joke.

[Winsten-sentinels]

@Queak-zuljin

He cared more about himself and his own hatreds than anything else.

He cared about the “True Horde,” which was orcs only.

[Tombouctou-azshara]

@Felsavior-zuljin

@Tombouctou-azshara

I am rather disappointed that this is the last we will see of Garrosh Hellscream.

I’d rather see Garrosh die now than be ruined by blizzards writing. Just look what they have done to Baine and Sylvanas.

Die a good character or live long enough to see yourself become a joke.

Sometimes even the dead are not beyond the reach of Blizzard’s hapless writing team. I rather thought Illidan was effectively out of the story but they just brought him back insisting he was never actually dead! I daresay if these insidious and clueless writers wished, they could jedi mind trick us into thinking Garrosh was on a luxury cruise the whole time!

[Queak-zuljin]

Yeah Uther died cool, but they brought him back so they could ruin him a little. With an expansion like Shadowlands even the characters that are already dead are once again subject to ruination.

That said, we should be seeing a lot more characters considering how big the shadowlands supposedly are, but I guess it’s lucky for all the ones we aren’t seeing that we aren’t seeing them (you get to keep your time-of-death level of coolness Varian, lucky you… for now)

[Retrô-uldum (Retrô)]

Imagine caring about lore.

[Rashiko-bleeding-hollow]

He cared about his vision for the Horde, not this post-Danuser, neutered version of the Horde.

[Yvenathilm-fenris (Yvenathilm)]

Apparently the Fatescribes decide which Fate was the real one.

In otherwords one of them decided that Garrosh die to Thrall as a Villain so that he’d end up in Revendreth while also deciding all other versions of Garrosh are false.

As for why the Fatescribe chose that fate: It probably offered the most Anima.

We of course are beyond all attempts to scry the Future since the Korthia Fatescribe Roh-Kalo deemed that a True Maw Walker would come to Korthia.

Fatescribe Roh-Kalo has been ensuring that Elisande, Zul and N’Zoth’s foreseen futures would not come to pass rewriting Fate each time they came close succeeding. His demise of course is praised by him since he is freed from the torturous existence that Zovaal inflicted upon him.

Garrosh’s foreseen glorious destiny was stripped from him by Fatescribe Roh-Kalo who rewrote fate so that we would not die at that moment thus ensuring Garrosh’s defeat. When Garrosh had us at his mercy in AU Nagrand Fatescribe Roh-Kalo intervened to make sure Thrall would show up and kill Garrosh.

Every time a Villain was about to win on their own against us Fatescribe Roh-Kalo intervened to make sure they failed no matter what.

[Queak-zuljin]

Riiight…

Which came first? WoW fatescribes or the keepers of time from the Loki show?