Garithos is an example of a character with a cool backstory

Love him or hate him I like what they wrote

Posted by Bashiok

Grand Marshal Othmar Garithos was the only son of a baron who ruled over lands in what would later be the Eastern Plaguelands that bordered Quel’Thalas. While his father ruled from the town of Blackwood on the shores of the similarly-named lake, Garithos joined the army as a knight during the Second War, where he saw combat in Quel’Thalas defending the elves’ homeland from invading orcs. While he was in Quel’Thalas, however, a small band of orcs broke off from the main invading force and burned his home town to the ground, killing all of its inhabitants in spite of the valorous defense marshaled by its lord. Othmar’s family perished doing their duty, defending the homes and lives of their subjects. He blamed the elves for the loss of his town and family, believing that the elves diverted forces away from the Alliance’s true goal: the defense of humanity alone. After his father’s death, Garithos was awarded his title and continued his service in the armies of Lordaeron. By the time of the Scourging of Lordaeron, he had attained the rank of Grand Marshal and was the highest ranked surviving military officer in the region, promoted not necessarily due to his own abilities, but his father’s reputation and title. Cut off from the chain of command, Garithos amassed a small army of volunteers and conscripted civilians, and gave them the mission that he assumed the Alliance should have always had: the preservation of humanity above all else. Despite the ad-hoc nature of his forces, other states recognized him as potentially the last remnant of Lordaeron’s government and certainly the strongest warlord in the area. As such, officials from neighboring non-human states such as Ironforge and Quel’Thalas sent him aid, ignorant of his intolerant policies.

Guy finally trusts an elf, then gets killed for it

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  • A guy trust in “X” group of people.
  • For helping that group his own group is wiped out.
  • Guy now hates “X” group.

Is a very basic and used formula in order to create a villain. I’m not saying that is a bad formula, but must be developed well. I would like to read a novel about Garithos to know in detail how he lived that process.

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I’ve always been amused at the fact that a two-dimensional cardboard cut-out of a character who’s only purpose in existing was to trigger a plot, has simultaneously been one of the most fascinating and, on some level, one of the more relatable characters, in this entire franchise. It’s very easy to understand the source of Garithos’ prejudice. There was no maddening extra-dimensional voice driving him insane. His family died and he suffered survivors’ guilt, and lashed out at the people responsible from keeping him from being home to help; the elves.

Even then there are still unanswered questions about how far his racism extended. We know he had little love for dwarves, but there’s also the fact that we never learned when or where he was put under the control of the Dreadlords. It’s entirely possible his worst, most bigoted actions and words were the result of the Dreadlords trying to break apart the remnants of the Alliance in the north. I mean, once he was free of them he went and worked with Sylvanas, and was even going to keep his end of the bargain.

So, we don’t even know the true depths of his hatred and to what extent it goes. Seems to me that his sense of duty to humanity was greater than his hatred of non-humans. A redeeming quality.

It’s a shame he had to die in WC3. Garithos could’ve been a fascinating character if he had lived, and really given the Alliance a touch of grey.

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Garithos is a character that began as a two-dimensional, sneering, buffoonish jerk.

Over time, WoW developed, as lore developed in depth, and as people started caring about it, he was rounded and imbued by writers and circumstance to be more relevant than he is.

This isn’t a bad thing, as an antagonist, improving him improves that which opposed him. He certainly wasn’t a good person, and while he had some sense as a commander, it was completely undermined by his failure to recognize the value of resources at his disposal due to his own bigotry, both to the blood elves and, to a lesser extent, the dwarven detachment sent to him. That said, here is a truly ancient post that I saved. Keep in mind, it was written tongue in cheek even by the original author:


Original post by Caliginous(Moon Guard) on the subject of Garithos:

Garithos was a patriot.

He was a Grand Marshal. Some people have tried to call him a self-proclaimed Grand Marshal, but there is no evidence of this. Ironforge dwarves, allies of Lordaeron, went north to serve under his command. Kael’thas sought him out. All of this suggests that Garithos was the legitimate military authority in Lordaeron after the fall of King Terenas, likely the highest ranking knight that remained. He acted for Lordaeron.

His quotes include:
“Humanity will rise again.”
“Let justice fall!”
and most telling…
“In memory of Terenas!”

He fought for his country. A true loyalist to Lordaeron and the Menethil dynasty.

Garithos didn’t like elves, but he didn’t treat them that badly.

After Quel’thalas fell, and Anasterian died defending the Sunwell, Prince Kael came down to belatedly join the fight against the Scourge.

But first, a bit of a history lesson. The high elves abandoned the Alliance shortly after the Horde was defeated the Second War… and their reasoning was that the Alliance didn’t do enough to defend Quel’thalas from the orcs and trolls in the Second War. Garithos wasn’t a young man. Could that be part of the reason why he was bitter toward elves? I once read a fascinating and sympathetic fanfic where Lord Garithos lost a son defending Quel’thalas, and turned bitter afterward. Far from canon, but the point is, we don’t know, and there are quite plausible reasons for his disdain. And in any case, he didn’t treat them badly.

In the first mission we meet him, Garithos has retaken the ruins of Dalaran from the Scourge. That’s right, he took Dalaran back. It’s because of his efforts that the wizard were able to rebuild and assist in the Northrend Campaign. He assigns his new elven allies to repair the city’s magical observatories to keep an eye on the Scourge. Kael is prideful and chafes. However, isn’t this quite reasonable? The high elves (blood elves by this point) are noted arcanists, and Kael himself was on the Kirin Tor Council and is likely familiar with this kind of magic. It’s possible–I would say almost certain–that the elves from Quel’thalas were the best suited troops he had for this important task.

Along the way, Kael is in a hurry to cross a lake, and instead of building a boat, he accepts help from Lady Vashj, an evil naga and a handmaiden to Queen Azshara. Garithos discovers this, and warns Kael not to do it again. Reasonable. The naga are enemies, and probably up to something.

Of course, the naga are up to something. In the next mission, Garithos has to deal with a Scourge attack and recalls his knights to the front lines, leaving Kael and his elves to deal with a simultaneous Scourge attack on their location. He gives the elves an important, difficult assignment… ostensibly what Kael’thas wanted. Rather than dig in his heels and wait for support, Kael elects to join with the naga again. Together, they beat the Scourge. Now, here’s the important part… Garithos arrives just as they’re winning, with a full battalion at his back. He won his battle, and was coming to relieve Kael’thas! However, instead, he found his subordinate doing exactly what he was ordered not to do. Working with naga. He arrests them, they escape with more naga help and play directly into Vashj’s hands, etc etc. History.

Garithos acted in good faith, and Sylvanas betrayed him.

When next we see the Grand Marshal, he is in the thrall of the dreadlord Detheroc, brother of Varimathras and Balnazzar. The demon’s mind control powers have claimed him and his troops.

Sylvanas attacks the camp and frees Lord Garithos. Detheroc is defeated, and after the battle, Sylvanas presents an offer to the Alliance. She claims she only cares for revenge, and is willing to give the humans Lordaeron back, then leave. Perhaps out of gratitude for saving him from Detheroc, Garithos agrees, though he’s obviously reluctant.

During their work together, Garithos is quite respectful to Sylvanas, calling her ‘milady.’ He does have harsh words for the demon Varimathras, who later turned out to be a traitor (shock) even to Sylvanas, and tried to summon Sargeras during the battle of the Undercity.

After they defeat Balnazzar together, Garithos tells Sylvanas to leave Capital City, as agreed. She refuses–she admitted earlier she never had any intention of keeping her word–and has him murdered. This is important, because this is the first interaction between the Forsaken and the Alliance. Everything after is predicated on this first betrayal, showing that the Forsaken cannot be trusted. This interaction shows stories about oppressed undead citizens turned away by former allies to be hollow fanfiction. They weren’t turned away. They actively betrayed their ally, a man guilty of nothing but keeping his word.

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On this I can agree.

I wish more characters did bad things because they simply wanted to - for what ever reason. Maybe they think its right, maybe they dont care, maybe they just like being bad. The reasons dont matter to me -as long as it is a Character making the choice for their own reasons.

I get really suck of:

“They were mind controlled when they were bad!”

“They were corrupted by the fel/void/light when they were bad!”

“They were only bad because they were lied to!”

I do not like Garithos much. He seems placed there to be intentionally loathsome while expressing a bigoted mind set that many can relate to. But I will say, at least he did cruel stuff to the Blood Elves because the character made those choices with its own rationale.

I disagree with this, though. His death is one of the more humorous and satisfying moments in the history of the franchise.

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I liked him better when he had no backstory.

Just a blob of racism that backstabs you and you later get ironic revenge on.

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Well, I don’t disagree with that. I definitely laughed when he was eaten by ghouls. And it was very satisfying to see such an insufferable bigot get his comeuppance. That said, I can see the value of his contributions to the story, if he had remained. A lot of (Horde) players like to complain that the Alliance is boring and dull, that everyone gets along even when they shouldn’t (Velves and LFDraenei). I think if Garithos hadn’t died, if he had survived and continued to be a force in the Alliance, we could have seen a lot of internal strife within the Alliance, a lot more politics rather than power fantasy, and the Alliance story might have been more compelling to a lot more players as a result.

I mean, imagine Garithos meeting Tyrande. If that meeting didn’t end with an arrow in his rump, I’d be shocked. Heck, imagine if he were alive today. Some part of me smiles to think of his reaction when the Velves joined the Alliance. He’d probably be screaming at the top of his lungs what players have been saying on the forums for ages now. A boy rules the Alliance when every other leader has more experience, skill, and right to do so.

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son/daughter of garithos in the plot when

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For maximum luls, let his son or daughter be a half-elf.

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Shoulda listened to Gimli at the Council of Elrond.

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You gotta admit, though, it would’ve been even more humorous seeing him raised as a Forsaken. Would he kill himself or would he live on to be a really racist Forsaken.

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If anything, the phrase, “Death would be an improvement for him,” should be taken to maximum irony. Like, he becomes super strong, super competent, etc… in death. Realizes death is the great equalizer. Leads Sylvanas’ armies to victory after victory with amazing insights and the use of stratagems that he couldn’t have considered while alive or something.

That would have been amusing.

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Tragic, indeed, but he’s still an idiot in my books. A well written one, nonetheless.

Based on his story during the second war, he relied too much on his assumption that the elves would prioritize the defense of East Lordaeron over Quel’thalas. He must’ve either been pretty stupid or naive to believe on such notions. Of course the elves would prioritize their own lands over his, much like he himself prioritize his stead over Quel’thalas. After losing everything he failed to realize that his high expectations is the number one reason that’s preventing him from acting logically.

During the events of WC3, as an officer, he should never had emotions cloud his judgements. Sending elves (mages, rangers, and light infantry) as frontline infantry to face the main bulk of the scourge land force? What was he thinking? Regardless of how one perceives the High Elves, that’s just plain stupid. He never wanted to win against the scourge. He just wanted to kill all the elves, even though not all elves under his command is responsible for the death of his family. He was even worst than Arthas in this regard. The scourge invasion was the right moment to justify and exact his vengeance.

Off the books, I think his rise to power mostly happened because of petty politics played by the noble houses of Lordaeron. How else can someone that stupid and mental rise up to power?

He’s not a grey character. He’s black. He’s selfish (with all “muh land” argument; also, if he really cared about his people, why not tell his family to move somewhere safer… jeez). He never had any noble intentions to begin with. Dying and becoming a puppet in the hands of an undead Thalassian is a fitting end to such character.

He is easily the most hate-able character in warcraft. But I guess that’s why he’s so memorable. Not everyone in the alliance is good or smart or even reasonable to begin with.

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Everything you typed was right, and that’s why I liked him. He was imperfect. Human, with a lot of flaws. It feels good to interact with characters like that.

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My favorite bit of his story is when Sylvanas cuts him off as he begins one of his racist rants “kill him too lol”.

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In some way I think he would have been an interesting character in WoW. Assuming he survived, what would his role have been in WoW? He was a Lordaeron Noble/Commander. Would have went to Stormwind? Would he have been the leader of some base in Lordaeron (i.e: Southshore or Chillwind?)

i wouldn’t be surprised if he became the leader of the Scarlet Crusade or a different version of it.

Even if everyone parted without anyone dying after Capitol City was liberated, I highly doubt Garithos would have been fine with Sylvanas and the Forsaken living anywhere in Lordaeron.

There was already a low level war happening between the Forsaken and the Scarlet Crusade. Now toss in Garithos and whoever else lived instead of dying and you get an even nastier conflict.