Gargoyle as a dead talent

Hello there fellow unholys, well then, since blizzard was too stubborn to remove gargoyle from the gcd (i really miss my valkerye) and made It into a dead talent i suggest this:
Remove It from the talent row in 9.1 and make It baseline off the gcd for gods sake, on this place bring back necrotic plague, its a fun spell and It woudnt make unholy assaut the mandatory talent on the 50 row.
I’m so bitter that blizzard put gargoyle back on the talents Just to not have to remove it from the gcd and yet give Frost 2 major cds off of it

I think slight nerf and make baseline IMO . It at one level time was core to unholy, and it just fits in the flavor so well. Or give me a leggo that summons a buffed Garg for x seconds.
We miss you best boi.

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I really miss Necrotic Plague, but the current kit doesn’t support it very well with Festering Strike no longer increasing the duration of your diseases and there no longer being a way of spreading the strongest stack.

On top of the previous post, you would need blood boil or use epidemic to spread plague. This would require chain pulling in m+ and if it was bolstering or necrotic it’s a dead build.

Hmmm UA, AotD or NP. This is actually a hard decision.

They could drastically change how VP works. Like UB was go to talent to rapidly ramp up the NP stacks in WoD along with BB was a thing.

They could also make it that NP refreshes duration on each disease application.

Superstrain will be very interesting and maybe OP with NP.

In fact, they should just merge Pestilence and Defile together. Make Gargoyle Baseline and replace those talents that are actually interesting that competes with those rows. Something that could complement the disease stacking such as NP or disease extension like the good old FeS.

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The reason necrotic plague was so fun is because we had 4 rune types. You had to get close to 100% uptime on 15 stacks. To do this you had to spend enough festerings to keep plague up until blight was off cd. You also wanted to avoid spending death runes on festering too so you would weave your scourges in there. It was a lot of work and had a lot of reward so it was amazingly fun for that reason. While I love the idea of having np you have to have the old rune system and everything back it was an entire toolkit not the ability that made it great.

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IIRC, you could extend NP up to 2 minutes with 15 stacks after ramping it up with UB if you spammed FeS.

Ya but you would have to spend death runes on festering. Those scourge strikes were important. You wanted to make it so it fell off right when blight came off cd so you could just drop blight right then and get back to 15 stacks. It was a beautiful thing when you finally started to figure it out. Also dt was different then. With the hfc tier set you had to death coil 3 times to use it I think. Then you got more attack speed when it was up.

The nostalgia man. That was the best dk iteration but it’s also the first iteration I raided mythic with. I went from being kicked from pugs for low dps to kicking everyone’s butt.

Sorry for the off topic but talking about np gets me going.

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I miss NP too man. It’s the only thing I’ll ever miss something that comes from WoD.

I forgot the purpose of SS those days other than it is just purely single target damage and even then I don’t remember using enough of it other than it did a lot of physical damage on top of shadow per disease. I just spammed FeS and make fights like Hanz and Franz trivial because both bothers are affected by 2 minute NP and when they phase out from 60% health, they suddenly become 40% health (EDIT: when they phase back in) due to my absurd Trinket Procs and FC while the infected brothers are just chilling… ticking…

I never raided HFC however as it was the time I was burned out. Then Legion launched and NP, Conversion, 2h Frost was gone. :cry:

NP can work today. Not as potent and effective during WoD days though but it can work. It just needs to replace Gary in the last talent row and it has to be a very powerful disease that we remembered to compete with AotD and UA.

Maybe but the sanctity of np will be gone in my eyes. If they bring it back they need a 4th ranged dk spec. It would be like affliction lock though. Pets and dots

But see, that’s what Unholy is supposed to be about. A Necromancer that has a power to literally decompose the living and raise their corpses to do your bidding. The former is close to what an Affliction warlock does. The latter is what a Necromancer is supposed to be.

And not only we’re Necromancers, we’re Death Knights. We have the strength AND magical abilities to achieve so thanks to the power of the Lich King before the whole… Sylvanas and Jailer stuff happened.

NP was a very potent disease in the DK history. If it does return, I do expect it to be as potent as the Lich King used in his instance fight. The sanctity of it will be most likely in tact along with a couple of tweaks here and there such as adding a talent passive that has the old FeS functionality in our lvl 45 talent while Defile and Pestilence combined.

AND FFS BRING GARY BACK TO BASELINE.

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I just remember going into BGs with NP, and killing everyone around me by stacking NP on a healer and then spreading that sweet sweet stack to all the DPS around. Death Siphon is sorely missed too, but there’s no way to make that work with the current rune system either.

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