I’d argue the Scarlet Crusade and their offshoots are less bad than the Burning Legion, the Cult of Twilight’s Hammer or even the Iron Horde.
Killing humans is fine. There needs to be a lot more of it. We have had plenty of orc killing extravaganza’s. Put the humans on the butchers slab and lets get to work.
In their membership, they are measurably less racially supremacist than the Iron Horde.
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From what I’ve read about Warhammer, I assumed the point was that every faction is supposed to be equally garbage and that there is no “lesser evil”. You’re just rooting for your favorite villain to bop the others.
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Then why not the Alliance, who left Tirisfal with a burning dead scar?
The alliance are the immaculate incarnation of truth, justice and the american way. They are untouchable from a narrative angle.
Well, I’d say that a flaw to be corrected. I’m a lot more interested in taking Tirisfal back and dismantling the Alliance’s vassal states in Forsaken territory than in dredging the Scarlets back up, 12 years obsolete, just so we can be made to share them with the worgen as something to bond over. Puke.
The best idea anyone’s had for a renewed Scarlet Crusade is to have them recruiting out of Stormwind anyway.
Just to jump back here (cause forum time is my M-F, 9-5 time waster time) I think it just depends on what you want to go for in this setting right? Do we want a more comical, over the top tone with wanton slaughter of everyone who wears crimson (which another poor choice for them but I digress) to make the statement bad people bad, dont be bad people, or do we want and more slow burn serious, this is what it actually looks like and should be a warning that bad people are bad.
It can go either way, I think I just prefer the slow burn realism as I see it as a more effective methodology to show the dangerous and very real steps one becomes a Scarlet, or their RL equivalent. It presumes a little media litericy that we know the WoW base generally doesnt have, but still worth a shot in my eyes.
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Seriously. Why do people bring up the Hitler’s Group as a go to argument for a group faction in WoW. I mean there were other bad factions of people back in history besides Hitler. Tatars and Mongels, Spanish Conquistadors, Catholics, and etc.
For what I saw in the Scarlets they pretty much remind me of the Catholics since that’s what these religions factions in WoW Remind me of. Religion Wars in Europe of the Holy Roman Empire, and etc.
I just wish some people were stop bringing down others who like a faction in a game without shaming and putting them down.
If anything, the Forsaken are the most “Third Reichy” of any group in WoW. And even then, it’s a stretch.
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I’d like you to know this from the bottom of my heart;
I think your ideas about the Forsaken are trash.
All your suggestions boil them down to be repentant, sad little boys who have to be apologetic to Mr.Human for doing such absurd ish.
I do not get offended by the Forsaken’s antics. Because it is Invader Zim tier, absurd cartoon BS. This doesn’t bother me because I know the difference between a joke and a sincerely heald belief. I know those of the stalinist and libertarian stripes struggle with this difference because their worldviews tend to be just that ridiculous. So for the record; I’m not for bashing people’s heads in like they’re a whackamole. I just find that an extremely funny idea.
Because it is
I get bothered by the treatment of the homeless in Westfall. Because that’s a reflection of real world politics. Same with the Amani because heaven forfend an indigenous group responds with merciless cruelty after receiving the same treatment. But the elves have piano recitals to go to so theyre heroes, I guess.
And my rancor is especially aimed at the Scarlet Crusade. Fascists are lovely as a villain group and man they hit all the classics. Murdering disenters, an unearned air of supremacy propping up a clearly failing dynasty, a complete rejection of progressive attitudes even as they’re clearly lapping them.
Like yeah I’m going to side eye mfers that pearl clutch over the absurdly stupid violence of RAS. Where they kill puppies for not being explodey enough. A thing so stupid even Unit 731 nor the CIA on one of their coke binges got around to. And at one point they were just stappling mics to cats so, that’s speaking volume.
But oh now the theocrats that hang people for asking questions are deserving of sniff nuance and love?
Can’t you understand the people who’s chapels are surrounded by the dead bodies of hung heretics are just strange little boys?
Meanwhile the Forsaken have a negative body count. They straight up unkill mfers. Your opinion is laughable.
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Oh go eat an entire bag of ish you blathering halfwit.
Yeah if your entire knowledge of WW2 comes from Wolfenstein I’m sure that adds up.
One day the glass vase of sheer dumb luck that’s shielded you worthless, unhelpful snake flag mouth breathers is going to shatter. And I hope I’m around to throw peanuts at you morons and laugh.
“Oh what’s so hard about it? Just pick yourself up by your own bootstraps”
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Dig a trench through wet clay someday then talk to me about hardwork. You want real libertarianism tried and I swear to God I’ll have you mfers growing cotton for me.
You don’t know violence. You don’t know evil. You don’t know what ash tastes like. You want anarchism? Go nuts. I can thrive in that chaos. You won’t. Pull the damn trigger, I’ll learn ya.
Ya, you lost your damn mind lol
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Yeah I’m burying the closest thing I’ve to a little sister and am on a staggering amount of narcotics.
So definitely.
Want me to eat my face on camera I’m kinda short on cash.
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How much. How much will you pay me. Answer me coward.
All I want you to do is play Vanilla Hillsbrad.
When Lydon tells you to go poison a guy’s dog, the humor is in what an utter monster you are, somewhat like the Death Knight starting campaign - which itself echoes many of the quests in the original Battle of Hillsbrad. Killing the farmers, gathering skulls, murdering their Mayor, stealing the town registry, robbing their smithy, and so forth.
The original Tarren Mill has the exact same “scourgebodyhanging” models slung outside their duskwoodchapel.wmo. If the Forsaken didn’t hang those people there, they’d probably be cutting them down, considering how they handled Kel’Thuzad lackey Helcular. You are right they unmurdered that guy. I don’t think you can make the argument they “unmurdered” people they themselves deliberately murdered in the first place.
For the most part I don’t even bother discussing the Cata stuff, because it’s played for laughs, and I find it more stupid than funny. But if you think the Cata Westfall “mudpies” reflect real world politics any more than the Sludge Fields does, let alone more closely than a soup of fish eyes and okra, I would have to differ.
None of this has to do with the Forsaken adopting a policy of appeasement or self-castigating before the Alliance. The closest thing I’d like to see to that is an agreement to help fix Gilneas, and even that would be contingent on kicking the worgen out of Fenris and SFK.
The Alliance who condemn the Scarlet Crusade for torturing the innocent and purging the clean consider it merciful to burn the hearts of the Forsaken in holy fire, and they definitely didn’t bother with carrying out Vorrel’s Revenge. This isn’t about whitewashing anybody.
You can’t even thrive on an internet forum. If you are this triggered now, you’re going to crumble when confronted with something real.
But hey… good luck.
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Replace “Catholics” with “Jews” or “Muslims”, “Europe” with “Middle East” and “Roman Empire” with “Ottoman Empire” (“Seljuk Empire” works too) or “Israel”, then repeat those statements of yours. If you want to look outside religion, swap in “atheists” and “Soviet Russia” (or “Red China”, if you prefer).
Do you realize how bigoted those statements sound now?
I just wish people wouldn’t put down groups they have only limited information about.
Basically, any group has done bad. Time plays a big role, like no one is still talking about the Mongols in hushed tones. History nerd might talk about how they catapulted plagued corpses into cities, or how they forced the people they defeated to lay on the ground and serve as a chair while they feasted, as if it was something cool. Because that was so far in the past that we can talk about it now as if it’s a fantasy story.
One day that will probably be true for the Hitler Group. One days just uttering their name in a forum won’t get your post nuked. For now, they are the epitome of evil, and their victims are still alive (But probably not on a WoW forum) so it is important to remember to be cautious when drawing those comparisons, or talking about them so flippantly.
Though, it really does make you wonder why that is the way it is, but the same thing doesn’t apply to self proclaimed socialists and communists. Imagine living under the boot of the Soviet union, which only collapsed in 1990, and seeing idiotic little 30 or younger year olds self identifying as communists or socialist. Too young to have been victims themselves, and to stupid to take the mountain of corpses as the warning it is. And too ideologically brainwashed to even care that Communist nations operating today are literally running death camps, weaponizing hunger to keep their population weak and subservient, and conducting weapons experiments on their own people.
Makes you wonder how hypocrisy like that can be so wide-spread.
But yeah, anyone who draws a comparison with the Scarlet Crusade and the N@zis is… A bit dumb. More like, Spanish Inquisition meets Witch burning puritans. Missing the N@zi mark by a couple hundred years.
Hell, you could say they fit the bill of classic Crusaders. Because their cause made sense. The Scarlet Crusade was a response to a threat, and the Crusades irl was a response to Muslim aggression against Europe. And it is only the brutality of their execution that makes history not remember them so fondly. Though, their enemy was far from benevolent, and really matched that brutality, which applies to the Scarlet Crusade still.
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