Can we please see some adjustments to fury warrior? We are literally one of the worst dps in the game, this is not how it was back in original wrath.
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Apparently they’re pretty good come ICC tho
Cannot confirm or deny, but if they are gonna be good later and buffs now are probably going to have them nerfed in p4?
Yeah the issue is warrior is good once they get shadowmourne and a lot of ICC BIS, by then the expansion is basically over. Even with a legendary item like shadowmourne there are classes that sim higher such as feral druid. Warrior in original wotlk came online during ulduar and got better as the expansion progressed. Why do we have to suck for all of classic to be mediocre in ICC?
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The Community’s idea of how “good” they become because of scaling is inflated, and it doesn’t line up with the data we have at the moment. Even a Fury with Full BiS, and Shadowmourne is losing to Ferals.
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And are ferals the measuring stick for good performance or bad?
Tbh I haven’t looked into anything as I main a mage just as I did back in the day and mage is always pretty solid, luckily.
In an ideal world, all dps classes would be within a reasonable margin of one another.
I hope one day blizz sorts their ish out so people can just play the class/spec they like and not feel gimped
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More like, “can we please have battle tags added to the forums so we don’t have to deal with sock puppet spam threads?”
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Any class that isnt a class that can wear shadowmourne should certainly not be beating a class that can, when that weapon requires the amount of raid effort it does.
More importantly especially since the whole community and developer team have wrongfully been hypocritically saying it is fair cause of the warrior scaling, which now is more than debunked, as a feral dps without a legendary is gonna beat warriors, while having superior utility, better offspecs and even the superior raidbuffs.
With how they have treated it until now having warriors be nr 1 dps in icc with shadowmourne is the only fair option after the BS they have been through.
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I think they know they broke warriors when they tossed out the later patch as a fix all… That patch was customized to a warrior with much better gear that comes in ICC… Without that gear we don’t scale enough to overcome these later nerfs.
You forgot to mention a legendary weapon on top of the gear.
That’s true… however that won’t be as available to everyone right away. Without the support of the raid team or a very high PR it’s looking like Ret and DK will have have them first…
Warrior both gains more and far outpeforms ret with it, it is unknown with DK, as it stands dk might barely gain much from it so most guilds are better off letting them run morb still.
But the reason i mention it, is just that the legendary was an even worse barrier to entry, that those nerfs were balanced around, meaning that not only were they balanced around icc level gear but also an insanely hard to get legendary item, which is completely unfair and should be reverted.
It’s because warriors benefit the most from weapons and gear. They know this too… I’m sure that’s why they buffed Ulduar ilvls. Wasn’t enough but that was their solution…
Ferals in ICC will be performing very well; however, I use them as a comparison, because they were buffed and now sim higher than the “Oh my God, scaling out of control, how can other Classes even compete?!?!” Warriors, that people on the forums have been holding up this entire expansion to shut down Warrior complaints.
That’s not what the scaling does.
It just brings them into a mid tier DPS and Shadowmourne brings them to one of the best.
Warriors don’t need buffs on top of that unless your definition of viable is “literally the best DPS”
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“A class with Full BiS and a Legendary weapon, at the end of an expansion, who have been told to wait all expansion to actually be good, should get outDPSed by a Class that recieved unnecessary buffs during the course of the expansion.”
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I never said that the feral buff was correct. Repeatedly gave said it isn’t
You don’t fix that problem by giving fury a buff it doesn’t need though.
You fix it by nerfing feral.
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I actually agree with this.
Legendary weapons should move the classes that wield them to the top of the heap - else very close to it. They cost the whole raid to earn and should convey a significant benefit to the raid.
SM wielding DKs, Rets, and Fury’s should all reasonably be expected to be some of the best performing dps in the game - the weapon is meant to be OP and therefore an average class wielding it shouldn’t be just “okay” - the weapon should transform them into what we like to call pumpers.
So, the whole idea of balancing a spec around receiving this weapon is a bit silly to me. We should be assessing spec performance on the basis of not having SM.
Having said this - I’m still not convinced that non SM Fury’s will be “bad”. I think they will be okay. I don’t think we really know yet though and I think the SIMs can’t really be relied on. It’s a “play it by ear” thing.
I do think Munching needs prompt (but properly tested) attention though.
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Blizzard has already addressed this, they want you where you currently are because you will scale into a better position in the future or “as more powerful gear becomes available” as they said.
Also incoming drain hot take.
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Warrior was fine until they started buffing its competitors. Now warrior is in a relatively bad place. Would expect them to reduce the penalty on titan grip or something.
Ya that’s not going to happen. When does Blizzard EVER admit to making a mistake or go back on it? I knew the second they changed paladin this train was only ever going in 1 direction. There is no going back.
This is a thread about fury DPS in raids, please stop posting g on your sock puppet.
Like you tell everyone else, TBCC is over, this is wotlk.
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