I’ve been spending a lot of time on my non-Warlock characters this expansion, due to how unsatisfying all three Warlock specs currently are. And it was with some surprise that I discovered Blizzard still knows how to create an interesting and engaging Destruction rotation. They just gave it to Fury Warriors.
I’m serious. Both spec core rotations consist of several builders and one big spender. It’s just that Fury does it better in every way. Fury’s spender is more impactful. Fury’s builders are a more interesting cascading priority list where interlocking short cooldowns keep your rotation dynamic and nearly everything has a potential proc to make the results just a little unpredictable. Fury’s talents offer you significant ways to alter your spender and add to your builder cycle.
Even if you’re Ranged For Life, I encourage every Destro Warlock to at least look at a Fury guide as an example of what’s possible in today’s game and what sort of things we should be asking for. The lead time for giving meaningful pre-9.0 feedback is large enough that it’s not too early to start getting our manifesto together.
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lolololol not even sure what you are trying to say here, my guess is you have gotten bored with destro so you want to change it. well I think a better idea is to play other classes which you have done. don’t know why you would then want to change the spec. just play fury since its what you are enjoying. Destro is perfroming great in all content but mythics so why change it?
Because it’s boring to play, invests too much power in your 3m cooldown, has terrible talent selection, and as even you admit only performs well in certain elements of the game? Last I checked no one was really happy with how the spec played, but I’ll admit I’ve been out of circulation due to low enthusiasm.
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well it has gained in popularity this expac from last. Now that could be because afflic was broken good in legion and now sucks. but that still points to more people enjoying the spec now more then in the past expac. so as I said I think this is a case of a spec or class dulling on you. which is fine. but why ask for change in a high performing spec when you have found what you are looking for in another spec? change for the sake of change? you admitted to finding what you want in fury. and while I agree that destro is dependent on infernal to do high dmg. Some people like building towards a big burst window. you would be changing that. some like constant thruput, some like smaller burst windows with less setup. its all about finding what you want. so you asking for a change to a spec you have grown stale on is doing exactly what you wouldn’t want to happen to fury. and is exactly what I wouldn’t want to happen with destro
I’m trying out warlock because I got tired of my mage. I think a lot of people are getting burnt out with their rotations.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but take a gander at the class forums. Literally every class thinks their class is bad and needs “fixed”… Destro is good in pvp and pve, and fun is subjective.
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Many of them, yes, but not all. The two characters I’m playing the most right now are a Havoc Demon Hunter and a Fury Warrior. No one’s complaining about either of those, aside from Fury’s damage being a little on the low side. If you go to those forums all the complaints are about Veng and Arms.
And that’s not an accident, to be sure. Those two are what I settled on after trying out nearly a complete alt roster and picking what had the best combination of fun and performance. It’s also the first time in ten years of playing that my Warlock here wasn’t one of those top two.
So I agree that a lot of specs leave a lot to be desired in design right now, but there are exceptions that are still fun to play. Fury is one of those. That’s why I wanted to draw attention to it as a potential model for Destro to steal ideas from.
Sorry bud but fury is just as boring. It’s repetitive like any other spec, play it enough and it gets old.
I’ve been on warrior all expansion and I’m playing warlock now lol. Granted, I don’t push content, it’s just not for me. I do like multidotting in open world content and just destroying my way through content. Only complaint I have is I miss my affliction scythe bonus from legion.
That and I love demo in it’s new form for everything except implosion. Never liked implosion.
My raid ready alt is a fury warrior. I love it. It’s fast paced and it just feels good. Doing my weekly key on my lock feels like a chore, but m+ suddenly becomes a lot more fun when I go on my warr.
I play aff for raids and its like the polar opposite. Fury warrior feels like its living its class fantasy, aff lock feels like there’s a few hidden dots that get cast on the player first: confusion and apathy. You can run around maintaining dots all you like, but if you don’t make good use of DG/DB your damage will be garbage. And shadow bolt just feels even worse.
I think what made fury fun for me until this point was the speed at how it played compared to many other specs. I love arms but it felt slow in comparison. Other classes that dominated early BfA for me were enh shaman, fire mage, and havoc DH as they all played fast and had proc heavy rotations.
Now that other classes are getting haste it’s making their rotations feel better and faster by far. This has all been a blizzard issue with making haste feel so good but it takes so much to get a good rating.
Speed’s not my top issue. How predictable and monotonous is, with a side order of “too much power tied up in your 3m cooldown” to boot.
Fury has me thinking a button or two ahead, but which buttons those are changes with the interlocking cooldown lengths and can always be changed by one of the many available procs going off. Destro has zero possible procs and a rotation that feels barely a step more complex than something I could manage with a /castsequence macro. It’s boring, and not even a rewarding sort of boring because Chaos Bolt doesn’t feel special anymore. It’s not rare enough or big enough to be really impactful. Meanwhile the thunk-thunk-thunk-thunk of Rampage always feels good.
I feel you.
I hated, hated, hated unleash elements in my shaman. It always felt clunky and interrupted my rotation to empower an attack. After it was gone I was so happy and then…stormkeeper…can’t stand it.
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It may be boring but at least mythic raid teams want me.
Edit: Aaaaand I posted on an alt. Go me.
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Sorry, but you don’t know how to play fury if you think there is a lot of thought that goes into the rotation over any lock spec.
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Really? This false rhetoric is insane. Do you even look at your logs or spend more than 3 seconds analyzing any fight. Maybe the “low damage” you experience is because you can’t spend more than 10 seconds in raid to make sure azerite pieces are correct or how about even having flask up. Oh let’s not mention how unstable affliction was up 16% in a 5 minute 30 second fight. In the same fight DG was used twice and 9 DB were used. Given that the average DB hit for 40k and the DPS on DG was 1339 dps for 40 seconds. With 9 casts of DB and the damage total from DG combined was 414,172 damage total. For the entire fight total damage was 6,497,180 damage. You are telling me 6% of total damage combined with DG/DB alone is the make or break for the entire class. This false rhetoric needs to stop. We are still a dot class that is where the majority of our damage comes from. Stay dotty my warlock friends.
You play neither class. Why are you commenting?
Gotta disagree here. Afflocks is being homegenized to ACT like a dot class, but still depends on augment spells to make dots do damage AND now REQUIRES and single cast, BURST spell to actually make a difference. It doesnt matter that DB does damage according to your dots at the time, its still a freaking BURST cooldown and that is what we DONT need. Dots run way too fast and require too much upkeep and are once again, requiring other spells to make them do damage. This is not what affliction should be or has been in the past.
Is this supposed to be one of my logs or are you just rambling? Either way if you wanna fish for a bad log have at it but it doesn’t change the fact that a very significant portion of our damage comes from just 2 abilities. If you’re so sure it doesn’t then why don’t you try running other talents and let me know how that goes for you.
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DB is a singular global CD every 30 seconds that gives a reward for playing a dot class correctly (Pandemic). As I did the math earlier, 6% damage in a 5 minute 30 second fight. Primarily damage comes from dots, maintaining haunt and UA up time, filler shadow bolt, and pet.
I mean it was pretty clear I was looking at your logs, but Mythic Grong 4/30/2019. Is it significant? Yes absolutely it’s the unfortunate meta we are in, but saying it does significant portion of our damage when the math shows 6% is a false story. The other talents are garbage DB has to be run, but it’s a reward for playing the class correctly not a punishment as ya’ll are making it to be.