The problem isnt the burst damage IMHO… Its the 100% uptime melee have and the gap closers they have
Micro CC’s are also a huge problem in pvp atm, healers suffer the most from experiencing these micro cc’s.
So I can just go down all the Summon Demon list? Or can I be even more lazy and just use different spell ranks of the same spell?
I’ll use the second option
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no points for classic
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rofl. Alright. I tried. I cheated but still tried. I guess the guy you asked that of is still in game searching on a lock he just made to see if he can find 7 spells to link to you. But… you gotta admit I was right even though I cheated.
stop lying war don’t have 100% up time on casters right now … 2 charges and one leap vs roots perma slows blinkS disorientation, you are probably not good kiter
warrior has enough uptime
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100% uptime for sure.
Ya the missile was rampage and the chess board was all of my demo class abilitys.
i think u need to b better
I wouldn’t say that fury is better than either at the moment, but I don’t think that is the point. It feels really, really hard to tell the difference in an average fury war and a good one. You really can’t even compare it to stuff like ret and bm hunter, who still have some techincal stuff to screw up. Fury just mashes whichever buttons lights up and passively applies a big ms, heals itself, and does a bunch of damage. The only thing to screw up is your short cd root break or positioning. The spec either does enough damage to win or it doesn’t.
I used to give the benefit of the doubt to people who poo on hunter players because of BM, but having put enough time into warrior to form what I would call a decent opinion, it’s jut not close. The only thing I’ve ever played that even came close has been frost DK in the various seasons that it has worked.
Idk bout that, they all have simple damage profiles.
Rally, Reflect, Intervene, Disarm, Shockwave, Stormbolt, Fear, Team Fear Break
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Sanct, Sac, Blessings, HOJ, Blind, Searing Glare, Off Heal
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Scatter, Traps, Intim, Roar, Feign, Masters Call
I’d say using CC on all of them is pretty similar as it’s instant. War/Ret have some positioning to utilize with AoE CC.
Defensive utility easier on Ret/Hunter cause it’s just a macro. Intervene does require more awareness of positioning.
Spell Reflect is the same skill set as kicking.
Correct use of sanc, sac, bop is more complicated than correct use of rally, intervene, etc. Ret also completely hinges on correct use of those where those are less important to consistently get peak value out of as fury. You have an easier time/can make way more mistakes with positioning as fury. Landing a trap consistently is more complicated than anything fury has to do.
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How are blessings more complicated than intervene?
Intervene has a shorter range and can move you into danger as well.
Blessings are just hit the right macro and profit.
And most traps are landed off other instant CC or planted at your feet
And maybe it’s from maining Devoker but Fury feels way easier to keep out of a game than Ret because no HOF or CC immunity other than Zerk Rage. And Ret basically isn’t melee anymore. It’s mid ranged.
To get correct use out of sanc, you have to pre-use it or in a lot of cases hold on to a global to make sure you sanc the correct thing. I.e. your priest gets intimidation stunned and your next global has to be sanc in order to get the trap because the priest has to move out of the path of the trap, vs just intervene spell reflecting. Bop and sac have way more situational applications than rally and disarm. You can dispel hoj.
It is not that landing traps is difficult, there is just more counterplay and depth to them than anything fury has to worry about, and you’re not winning without landing traps. Notwithstanding the fact that the actual “hard” part of playing hunter is not just dying to rotational damage while getting in position to set up trap. Not hard at all, just way less straightforward.
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I don’t play enough ret to know the very exact optimal use cases for all of these, but you are generally prob only getting one bop per game outside of dampener matches, and misusing other blessings seems… bad if you misuse an intervene as a warrior then it sucks but at least it’s back in 30s
I don’t think bertimus is claiming that BM is 500 iq or something but I would agree that the mechanical aspect of cc on that spec is more challenging than fury.
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Well that’s the same thing as Intervening CC off your healer. Intervene doesn’t break CC. You gotta recognize the CC combo and break it up. Like Blind > Sap
You have a less impactful and more straightforward set of help friend tools on lower cooldown. You can mess them up and the rest of the kit makes up for it better than a ret messing up its buttons. Your win condition is not as closely tied to correct use of your help friend buttons.
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Imma just say, combining EU and NA shuffle stats, Ret has almost double Fury’s rep above 1800. And you know they aren’t all using Blessings correctly.
(I sure don’t.)
Now, Fury rep might be somewhat impacted by Arms being good too. But most Warriors play both.
I still am more impressed by smart Intervene than good Blessing.