Idk is it just me
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Fury relies on itâs s3 4p, which most people will not have yet skewing data. Even s3 2p is a sizeable increase.
No one has 4pc on the first week. Warrior Dps in general should not need a crutch from a tier set to be upper middle of the pack.
Edit: Ok, 99% of the player base wonât have 4 pc week one.
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So, weâve gone from âWow the tier set is so bad why canât warriors have good sets like othersâ to âwow warrior is so bad without tier setâ.
You cannot have both.
This week has got to be the easiest tier ever to get your 4p tier right away, you had 6x vault slots (3x champ, 3x hero tracks) rolled over to this week that could grant you a tier piece. Alongside 2 very easy to obtain catalyst charges you only needed to be given ONE tier piece from the raid to ethically set-up your 4p so easily most of your guild will have 4p this week if they vaulted a piece of tier and itâs allocated correctly.
Keep in mind Champ track and Hero Track gear right now are very much equal. They both cap out at 704 ilvl this week (especially for warriors) as you will be sending your limited M track crests (we only have access to 90 this week) on crafted piece/s next week. Given how easy it also is to farm 10s to get 701 pieces to catalyst with enough runs youâll easily have the items ready to feed. Your H track crests (also limited to 90) will only be used once youâve got 701 item/s in those slots to get them to 704, you can do 6 slots this week and 6 slots next with this method of gearing smartly.
Tell that to Shaman, Warlock, VDH, DK, Mages, and Evokers. Yes, some classes are propped up by tier more than others. That is not an excuse to leave Warrior in such a poor state.
If you were lucky enough to win a drop from Raid, one from vault, and burn your two catalyst charges you could have four pc. This is assuming you get 2kIO day one. Yes, many of us have that already.
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Yes and many of those are overtuned compared to the rest and will get drastic nerfs come post RWF with buffs to the undertuned specs, the same song and dance that happens every tier.
â2k ioâ as you put it too is a very achievable goal for players this week as a weekend goal, especially off the back off a turbo boost season where weâre already decked out to the nines in base champ track gear.
So players who know how to play their chosen specs wouldâve been able to easily push to +10s and farm them (sans streets, that place is kinda cooked if people are not locked in).
As for âluckâ from raid? Organised guilds will either have 1 additional split run, friends filling out the remaining slots to hit 30 for ensured additional loot (for normal at least) so youâve already got so many free tier slots from there that could easily set-up half your raid with 1p who lucked into 1p from their vault and players who arenât lucky with their token dropping get handed a curio for those itâs the largest increase to from Dimmy.
Sure there might be some unlucky players but there was a lot more people who got tier in their vaults than did not. You canât be picky at the beginning of a season if your aim is to get as much power as possible before hitting Mythic prog, so players shouldâve just picked up w/e tier they were graced with in vault regardless of the âideal 4p slotsâ.
I never said 2k is hard. Itâs stupid easy to get. Stop trying to deflect the conversation from the main point.
I called you out on this before and will do it again. You better hope they do, cause if not man I will have zero respect for you. I hope you donât have to eat your words, but I wonât be surprised if Blizzard does very little after RWF is over. Just like the last number of tiers gone by.
You seem to always see the glass half full, and thatâs fine. Cool. When are you gonna finally see Blizzard and how far theyâve let warrior flounder?
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Whatâs the main point youâre even trying to make then? 2p or 4p is very easy to get if you got 1p from your vault this season.
Baselines canât be massively high while also having a high % tier set that just doesnât make a lick of sense in terms of balance at all.
What is there to âcall outâ here? And Respect? Come off it. No matter how jaded you are at blizzard due to the poor balance choices they made during S1 and going into S3 you canât deny that anyone being that far ahead doesnât get shot down hard post race, some of them even before it. Before S2 even began Arms was looking giga broken and they copped an Execute nerf. Before S3 even began those overtuned specs were also nerfed a sizable amount yet still held their place at the top but not by such the ridiculous margin that was there during PTR testing. Plenty of previous seasons Warriors were in these spots the specs youâre listing are in now and they copped the same slap on the wrist pre race and got demolished post race over the years.
Just because Iâm not posting hyperbolic statements about the state of things and acting malicious about every single facet of the patch doesnât mean that Iâm blind to how badly theyâve done in terms of lack of balance between certain spec parities within classes themselves and providing options within hero talents so players have builds they can utilise their favourite spec in all facets of the game M+, Raid and PvP.
But to blatantly state warriors âsuckâ or âare badâ is outright laughable at best when we still have viable options that bring solid value to a group, yes all specs could use buffs, no theyâre not perfect but expecting anything other than flat % tuning or targeted ability buffs happening before the RWF is over is insane. Yes itâs annoying Arms was looked over so weâre going to be behind on spark crafts if thatâs your favoured spec, but thatâs the roll of the dice youâre given some tiers if your main focus is raid progression.
Thatâs youâre gas-lighting Warriors being better than they are.
Again, gas-lighting. Youâre telling us this, and yet S1 Shaman was just OP the whole season. S2 you had DKs as well. How many times does it have to happen for you to realize it?
Iâm not asking you to.
No, we are not.
Plain and simple. We are better than S2, but that is not a high bar.
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Ah yes, let me just break down and cry that warrior isnât viable when it is. Sure thatâs âgas lightingâ for seeing itâs viable options and rolling into itâs strengths as opposed to looking at itâs weaknesses and wallowing in a victim complex.
Viable =/= top of the rung like many of you think it does.
At least we arenât Ret pallys
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Viable is one thing, but seeing Hunters do 7.5m, Mage 6m overall on a 10 Halls vs a warriorâs barely 5mil. This was with everyone 2pc new tier.
Just stop already. Thatâs not even competitive itâs a joke.
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And yet on this end Iâve had overalls at 6.5mil-7.5mil on details as both Colossus Arms and Thane Fury at differing levels of 2p2p and 4p for col arms and 4p for thane fury. Iâve also had my thane overall inted in a streets 10 to something abysmal to ~4mil on details due to how badly the group played the whole way.
So once again how is this not viable enough until we get buffs?
Continue being the poster child for Blizzard boot licking.
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I have the 4 piece of S3 tier. We are significantly more powerful with it. Heck, I was using my M+ build on most fights and I was topping the meters in my heroic raiding guild. It wonât last, but it isnât terrible.
Weâll be mid, just like every other season except in Vanilla.
Good chat ending with an insult.
Honestly, just mute him bro. its just a waste of discussion and bad your mental health.
Yeah cuz we see how throwing a temper tantrum worked out for Ret Paladins.
Thereâs nothing wrong with measured responses, and not acting like the world is on fire.
The only thing theyâve said is, âHey donât exaggerate with your feedback, and makes sure itâs actionable.â For some reason people around here see red the second someone takes a non-doomer mentality.
Regardless, theres no point posting about a dev that does or doesnât exist. You post your feedback or you donât.
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This lady is here defending the bad warrior situation constantly. Seen her post this nonsense since S1. I think she is trolling at this rate it is unbelievable to still defend warrior tuning at this rate.
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Iâve done that for years and not a god damn thing seems to matter. So whatâs the point?
You might be right.
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