Fury Feels Significantly Better than Arms

Yeh I will just hit whirlwind again and take the 100dps loss. I cant be bothered with it in my rotation, it needs a buff.

Hell i feel that Slam is just an ability that should become a different ability as the warrior levels and just gets completely written off later
 like Primal Strike is/was for shamans.

They need to simply rework Rage entirely. Fury’s only use for it is a single ability
 Arms is essentially swimming in it, having more GCD’s and proc resets where they never need to really touch Slam as a filler


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Arms needs a lot of haste. Start of a new xpac and arms is starved.

It is, Arms is broken. Colossus is terrible, a hard movement pause of any duration doesn’t work for a warrior in PvP or chain pulling M+, it’s completely dumb! That’s all on top of rage problems and haste.

I am of the personal opinion that Fury has been better than Arms since Legion Prepatch. Always has, probably always will be. But what’s fine, its just my opinion and thats why we have different specs. I know there are many folks here who love pooling resources for a giant colossal smash.

Fury and Arms have incredibly opposing design philosophies.

Its ok arms has historically been very good in pvp for a loooong time. Fury has a chance to shine now. No problems with it.

In M+ Ret does great, and has a great toolkit for the content. In M+ you’re not being attacked by multiple players with tools you dont have.

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This was true once, but it’s been a long time since this was the case.

Fury was the “pool resources” spec in Legion during Nighthold, but Arms hasn’t really held that design in a long time. At most, it’s “wait to Execute, so you don’t bankrupt rage for Mortal Strike”, but the spec has been sped up in its cycle so much that the downtime here is microscopic to what it once was (thank goodness).

Right now, Arms just kinda blows. It just can’t push damage like Fury can, and both Colossus and Slayer feel lacking (aside from haste). At this point, I’m thinking Arms needs more power out of Colossal Might, but the Hero Talents leave a decent amount of wriggle room for tuning. Us having very little haste right now is a major blow to the flows. Going for 30-40% to 10% is agony.