Frostfire Hero Talent Spec Bugged Still

[Johnystorm-terenas]

Frostfire is still bugged with no communication about fixes coming.

This makes the spec feel horrible to play as there are so many interactions that are just not working. Hotfixes have gone out for other specs, but not seeing anything for Frostfire is disheartening. It was the most fun spec I played on the beta.

Current Known issues:

Frostfire Fire Mage:

• Frostfire Bolt does not trigger or consume Firefall.
• Frostfire Bolt does not trigger the cooldown reduction from Unleashed Inferno, From the Ashes, and Kindling.
• Frostfire Bolt does not trigger on-hit effects like Frostfire Infusion, Frostfire Empowerment, Overflowing energy, and presumably on-hit effects for gear.
• Frostfire Empowerment is removed on cast as well as on hit.
• The Frostfire Empowerment damage and crit chance effects do not work unless you have two stacks of the buff.

Frostfire frost mage:

• Frostfire Bolt triggers an additional Bone Chilling stack on the cast (even failed ones)

• Frostfire Bolt cleave doesn’t trigger Bone Chilling Frostfire Bolt triggers an additional Fire Mastery stack on hit

• Frostfire Bolt cleave animation is broken; damage is dealt to different targets

• Frostfire Bolt doesn’t trigger most on-hit effects (Overflowing Energy, Frostfire Infusion, Frostfire Empowerment, presumably also on-hit gear effects)

• Frostfire Empowerment can affect multiple Frostfire Bolts with spell queueing

• Frostfire Empowerment buff is removed on cast as well as on hit

• Frostfire Empowerment damage and crit chance effects do not work unless you have 2 stacks of the buff

• Frostfire Empowerment explosion can trigger from the wrong Frostfire Bolt projectile

[Piren-zuljin]

Bump for acknowledgement, also would love for fingers of frost to not proc while I am fire spec

[Borislav-frostmane]

Blizzard, please look into this.

[Bilgefilth-illidan]

Hope this gets fixed soon

[Eggo-thrall]

@Johnystorm-terenas

• Frostfire Bolt does not trigger the cooldown reduction from Unleashed Inferno, From the Ashes, and Kindling.

Doing some testing on dummies a few days ago, Frostfire Bolt does effect Unleashed Inferno.

Edit: Nvm, doing some more testing, they broke it again. -_-’

@Johnystorm-terenas

Frostfire Bolt does not trigger on-hit effects like Frostfire Infusion, Frostfire Empowerment, Overflowing energy, and presumably on-hit effects for gear.

You can add Pyrotechnics to that list.

[Johnystorm-terenas]

Bumping. This needs communication. I cannot understand how this tree could have gone out live where its not working.

[Ira-argent-dawn]

Adding link to my bug report as well.

Frostfire Bolt not triggering several Fire Talents

I just did some dummy testing and here is what I’ve found: Frostfire Bolt does: Proc Firestarter Consume Flame Accelerant Contribute to Calefaction Proc the increased damage from Unleased Inferno Frostfire Bolt does not: Proc Overflowing Energy (Though it looks like Pyroblast is also nor proccing this right now either) Proc Pyrotechnics Proc Firefall Proc Kindling Proc From the Ashes Proc the reduced cooldown from Unleashed Inferno

[Kasparian-stonemaul]

As Frost, I just procced Excess Fire while shooting Frostfire Bolts at a training dummy at level 71 (so obviously I do not have the Excess Fire talent yet).

[Kerathras-dalaran (Kerathras)]

Skimming over the list virtually all of these things were repeatedly flagged for the devs during the Beta and via bug reports. I haven’t played anything but Sunfury Arcane on live yet so I can’t really speak from personal experience but if nothing was done to address these issues that’s criminal neglect (and I am a lawyer so I should know, lol)!

[Spooky-burning-legion]

It’s actually insane that these things are still happening when there was an alpha and beta. Is the beta to test, or bait people into buying the expansion for bets access???

I never join in on the “That’s what beta and alpha are for” but the amount of problems still going on is absurd. It’s the complete expansion.

Some of these bugs make the classes unplayable depending on who’s playing it.

[Borislav-frostmane]

You’re right. I cannot understand how they are doing little balancing tweaks here and there when there’s a hero talent tree that straight-up doesn’t work correctly. Like…do they know? Do they care? Should we tell them?! WTF.

[Johnystorm-terenas]

I’ve reported it a bunch, made multiple posts and still have yet to see anything. Just straight up seems like they don’t care that its broken.

[Eggo-thrall]

I was really hoping at least 1 bug with Frostfire Bolt would be fixed in today’s patch. What a fool I was.

[Aelunae-black-dragonflight]

What does it take to get a blue post here? Some acknowledgement at all that an entire hero spec is just BROKEN at launch would be good. Not even just half of it, Fire and Frost both are completely jank for this hero spec.

[Johnystorm-terenas]

I’ve been asking for communication for weeks. Nothing on this subject. Apparently we need streamers to voice an opinion to get the masses to complain to get anything done like reverting the double dipping.

[Ainsoph-bleeding-hollow (Ainsoph)]

Just tried Frostfire as Fire Mage today, and wow, so many issues with it.

This is my biggest gripe though:

@Johnystorm-terenas

The Frostfire Empowerment damage and crit chance effects do not work unless you have two stacks of the buff.

Where does it even say that Frostfire Empowerment can stack up to 2? I feel like this was some kind of quality of life thing they put in at the last minute (so you don’t have as many overwrites of your Empowerment buff), and did not fully implement (or write the tooltip for).

The annoying thing is that even a 1-stack indicates (if you read the buff) that it’s a guaranteed crit, but of course that isn’t the case. It seems like a guaranteed crit is what they intended for any firing of this spell (at any stack), as it otherwise messes with Hot Streak flow. Would be nice to try this spec when it’s fully functional.

[Ainsoph-bleeding-hollow (Ainsoph)]

Oh, and Flash Freezeburn, the final/ultimate talent for Frostfire, does not seem to work with Fire’s Combustion either! It should give you Frostfire Empowerment and “maximum benefit of Frostfire Mastery and [refresh] its duration,” but it looks like it only gives you (along with the single stack of Frostfire Empowerment), a… single stack of Fire Mastery (out of 6 – far from maximum benefit) and NO stacks of Frost Mastery!

FYI I would expect the “maximum benefit of Frostfire Mastery” to be 6 stacks of Fire Mastery and 6 stacks of Frost Mastery.

It would be generous to say that this tree is at alpha-testing level.

[Johnystorm-terenas]

It’s unacceptable how this talent spec went out live.

Them buffing frostfire bolt and not fixing the bugs associated to it feels like a bit of a slap in the face.

Here, have a small amount of damage back, but we aren’t fixing things that would increase it’s playability.

[Phoenixfiire-hyjal]

You know, I had a little hope something might be coming with the 4 hour maint tomorrow… but nooooooo… only 1 mage change and it’s not Frostfire. I swear, we need Jesus at this point

Edit: There “might” still be hope - the 1 change was apparently a “today” change. (snort a huge line of copium)

[Searik-area-52]

Well it’s proccing firefall at least now. Still says it replaces frostbolt as fire, even though it doesn’t… but mechanically it looks like some of it was fixed. Not a theorycrafter but if that was fixed hopefully the rest is as well and they just forgot to post it for some reason.

EDIT: other talents seem to effect it as well now like flame accelerant and kindling, so yea it seems like it did fix it. Now all we have to worry about is tuning now which is at least normal stuff to worry about lol