No one is butthurt, they’re simply asking for a faithful recreation of the vanilla encounter and attempting to draw attention to it via this post. Do give the trolling a rest.
If wands worked you’d expect to be able to freeze the boss in 20-25 seconds.
53 seconds, then 50 seconds.
45 seconds, then 41 seconds.
62 seconds, then 53 seconds.
We know it’s 200 frost hits, because the 5.1 hotfix said 20 down from 200.
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Again, it was already explained to why in a real world scenario, your math is inaccurate. Your math assumes several things:
-all mages specced imp frostbolt (when the majority would have been fire spec during this era)
-all mages full mana
-no spell pushback from poison bolts
-zero resists
-every single non-mage using a 1.5 speed wand or lower
-no one needing to move, ever
just pure uninterrupted casting from the very second the boss is engaged. you know it doesnt work like that.
the reality of the fight is that while 1 or 2 players in the raid may have been able to avoid these issues through the luck of rng, the vast majority did not.
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-all mages specced imp frostbolt (when the majority would have been fire spec during this era)
This doesn’t matter. The GCD is 1.5 seconds.
-all mages full mana
You’ll sit at 100% mana if you’re casting rank 1 frostbolt.
-no spell pushback from poison bolts
Casting rank 1 frostbolt you’re unlikely to lose more than 2 seconds over a minute.
-zero resists
So you’d lose maybe 5% of frostbolts if people didn’t have much spell hit. You get 6% from talents.
-every single non-mage using a 1.5 speed wand or lower
If you had all your priests and warlocks using a wand, say 15 people, you could actually freeze him in under 20 seconds.
-no one needing to move, ever
The only reason to move on this encounter is a toxin pool cast on a single player every 30 seconds.
Anyway, more information needed. I’m curious what Blizzard will find.
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like i said, you were there. you know best.
was def a totally perfect, streamlined encounter in vanilla for alliance players where nothing ever went wrong and you could just freecast without issue totally uninterrupted.
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like i said, you were there. you know best.
I’ve said like three times I don’t know. But I’m not convinced watching videos that wands actually work.
Blizzard should look into it.
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I know. I’ve explained why your math is off multiple times from someone who did this fight in vanilla, as alliance - and you keep hand waving it away.
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This must be a retail-based bug then - i duoed this in legion i think it was on my priest (it drops a pet in retail), and used a frost wand to freeze him.
This is from today. It seems rather unlikely that Blizzard hotfixed wands on Viscidus in between Legion and Battle for Azeroth.
20 frost attacks are supposed to freeze him in retail. I wand him 84 times and nothing.
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Pretty sure the priests were doing a lot of healing, not to mention my wand resists all the darn time!
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I suspect that they are range attacks like a hunters bow, so even though it says resist it may actually be a miss.
It probably wasnt a specific hotfix, rather an unintended bug from another unrelated change to some other portion of the game.
I mean we’re on a modified retail client, and that game doesn’t even have wands in it anymore. Wands are a hack in classic to even get them in the game. It’s no wonder they don’t work like vanilla.
that actually makes a lot of sense, i had totally forgotten that wands had been changed into a mh weapon in retail.
I’m actually leaning more towards wands working in vanilla now.
In this vanilla video everyone is wanding and they still freeze the boss.
Unless their melee have a ton of coldrage daggers and frost oil on, but hard to tell.
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Thanks for that one. There’s really no melee during the freezing phase, they just run in towards the end to shatter when he’s already blue. Everyone is frost wanding to save mana for slime phase AOE. Leaning towards some sort of programming error if they had to reverse engineer the old wand slot mechanics.
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would love to see a response from blizzard on this. bueller? bueller?
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would love to see a response from blizzard on this. bueller? bueller?
Just got hotfixed. Wands work now.
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Victory is mine!
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Not actually how this boss works, but thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation anyway.
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And there’s three, do I hear four? Lets see just how many bugs managed to make it past the crack team of testing commandos.
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