Ya my ret gets demolished in no time by UH. It’s got fine burst. If UH strength is in aoe then that must be some great aoe
Deathbringer performs poorly due to so much damage being incorporated into reapers mark / exterminate. It’s trivial for many classes to remove or nullify the damage. If anything the buffs will just bring it closer to riders in PvP, which is also not very good (compared to unholy)
Frost has fundamental issues that need to be fixed. Having the spec “function” on auto attack crits is incredibly poor design, especially since crit is nerfed so hard in PvP. Stack crit and the spec feels nice but does poor damage. Stack haste and mastery and the damage gets better but the spec no longer functions properly and you’re kinda back to a 45 second burst spec. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Easiest solution to frost at the moment is to just buff the damage. It’s been way over nerfed in the past couple months. Don’t cross fingers for a spec rework, it’s not going to happen.
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Unholy is incredibly strong right now in basically every department. They can burst just as hard as frost while rotting the team down with dots and pets.
IMO, frost is too weak and unholy is too strong. Both need some adjusting.
Unholy is not too strong. Its performance is comparable to several other specs. Frost is simply too weak.
You might be right. The damage delta between the meta specs and the underperforming specs just seems really large right now.
If unholy, affliction, feral, etc are doing the “proper” amount of damage then there’s quite a few dps specs that need to be brought up to their level.
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I am in favor of bringing specs up as opposed to bringing others down. The way I imagine frost playstyle is akin to arms warrior, you definitely have an ebb and flow to the damage but is predictable and you can stack overpower to empower a mortal strike. Frost should function like that, AA crits is unpredictable, and our stats are spread so thin especially in S1. Another problem if you want the spec to function properly as aforementioned, you need to stack crit. The problem is it doesn’t synergize with your damage like destro you actually gain DAMAGE from crit stat to make it function. All crit does, is simply generate KM outside of pillar. Terrible and unpredictable design that doesn’t have stat synergy.
Meanwhile Unholy gets to stack haste and mastery til their eyes bleed - two stats that actively enhance all aspects of the kit.
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A rework going away from AA crits being the main proc could happen but would need to be a new season patch when we get all new gear.
Sadly, I doubt it will happen. During the beta cycle it was asked for frost to be reworked to either give a stacking auto crit modifier part of the spec(so it functions regardless of gear), or to have the spec not revolve around crit to function.
They decided to double down on it instead.
I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t see it happening.
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in pvp its always versa and a stat, this means in S1 we often don’t have the stat budget to stack more than 1 stat. generally you pick mastery or haste, its usually not till later seasons that you have enough to soft cap on versa and haste and dump the rest into mastery.
That’s one of the issues with frost, wanna be fluid? Go crit. But you’re gonna have globals 1.5s long. Want butter globals? Great! Zero KM procs and sustained damage. Wanna hit chunky? Great mastery! Now you have slow globals and never proc KM. In addition to all of this, unholy has passive 18% healing with necrotic wounds every 15 seconds. Frost does not have a passive heal like unholy does. Even worse, unholy you can afford to spend RP on a death strike if you’re taking damage during your burst. Frost? You won’t generate KM with DS. It needs a functional change
Indeed that is life as frost dk. At the very least they could just tune our damage and survivability a bit higher so we can function in spite of our goofball talent tree.
Haste is currently stronger than mastery, but not every slot has a haste option for the PvP gear. In those cases, you will opt for mastery. Regardless, that’s not the point. My point is that Unholy gets lean into stats that actively benefit all aspects of its kit, while Frost does not.