I get that fact that fire is META right now. I would like to hear from mages who main frost for PVE/raid. What do you use. Also why you play frost in PVE… thank you
I play frost because i like the way it plays more and honestly I have a much better handle on it…also you don’t have to have a particular piece of gear to maximize it (ex: PVP trinket for fire)…seems with fire you always have to have some piece of gear that maximizes it’s dps and without it you feel like you are not doing as much as you could be…also, a good frost mage will out dps a bad fire mage who doesn’t do their combustion right i find…
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My mage isn’t my main but my alt is frost. I just have major nostalgia for frost mage. I really like fire too but I’m just gonna level a second mage I think. Only major advantage frost has is flexibility in m+ pugs and consistent damage is way better than fire. Obviously an organized group would benefit more from fire
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Primarily because I have been playing it so long that its rotations are very familiar to me, so I can be effective in a team. I also am very attached to my main and she has been a frost mage from day one, so I am not going to change that just because her spec isn’t the meta.
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I just think it’s fun and I enjoy it more than the other specs. Frost is actually in a decent spot right now I think it’ll only get better as well. The Icy Veins uptime is going to get more nutty.
Breaking the meta is fun.
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I mained Fire in BFA but switched to Frost for SL. Losing all of the extras plus the changes to Phoenix Flames just made the spec feel to clunky for me at the beginning of the expac. Personally, too, I can’t play as much as I did in BFA due to life stuff, so I wanted a simpler play style. I’ve played a bit with Fire since then, but it doesn’t feel great with Venthyr and I don’t want to change covenants.
Don’t be a meta slave. Plus, the cool stuff at our hands.
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i play an alt frost mage and i just find frost thematically cooler (pun intended) and way smoother to play and the other two specs clunky. thats my opinion though. i do dabble in arcane sometimes but i always go back to frost.
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I already have a character doing the NightFae covenant. I didn’t want to do the same one again so I moved my mage to Venthyr and switched to Frost.
Well I made the switch back to frost… I mean i really enjoy it. Thanks for all the input…
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Honestly, frost is just more interesting to me than fire. I’ve played both in M+ and can say that frost AOE rotation feels stronger and more interactive than hard casting flame strike when combustion is down on large packs. You really have a chance to show up as top dps especially on fortified weeks.
That being said, it is definitely a toss up on single target sometimes… hoping to get brain freeze and finger procs in tight situations is stressful. An example would be the last boss of DOS and having to burn the add by yourself. Even with icy veins/ mirrors or torment/ potions/ trinkets, it could very well not go your way and you find yourself scrambling, especially on higher keys. Though this can be difficult, I like the challenge and feel like there’s more utility available in those tough situations. Need to burn 15k health and you’re out of procs? Frost nova > frost bolt > ice lance can quickly get you there.
I do respect fire for the single target damage output I can do during combustion. It’s very fun and exciting to hit higher and higher with pyroblast during a combustion window. I do start to feel bored and not entertained outside of that window though.
I completed key stone master as frost with a 213 ilevel and was able to compete with higher geared folk playing meta classes. Frost is a reliable spec for doing lots of group damage without waiting for a window of damage output to boost your numbers.
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- Because it’s better.
- Because it makes others mad.
- Because it goes to show that you don’t NEED to be Fire, and if you just stick through with it, you’ll overcome.
- It can still work without very specific pieces.
- Frost has personally always been a fantasy of mine. An ice-wielder, with frigid magics. Always loved like an ice wizard or something.
- Where Fire has it’s place and niche, so does Frost.
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I have always enjoyed the control frost was known for, utility and CC. I hate what they’ve done to fire and it’s not fun to play for me anymore. I enjoy arcane despite it’s terrible need for a redesign and poor performance numbers.
I’d love to see GS builds make a comeback for frost because I really liked that build. I thought thermal void was boring back when first introduced and still do.
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I leveled frost so I was more practiced at the rotation. I like the slows, control, and cleave. I tried fire in raids and while I can do great single-target DPS in combustion windows, it feels lackluster outside of it. I prefer the more consistent DPS of frost. Frost also has really nice multi-target cleave.
One of the biggest things is the slows and frost nova.
If I pay attention and stay away, interrupt etc I can go for a while without stopping or eating.(doesn’t always work out that way because I am horrible sometimes lol).
When I started playing frost was the only spec worth it unless you had very high end gear for fire.
I jsut got so into the way it plays I don’t want to switch.
Plus night fae annoy me.
One thing I will say is that frost isn’t really as far behind as everyone claims in the first place if one reads up on things.
Also it actually seems stronger than all the sims and min maxers say but the problem there lies in gear stats in SL.
It is almost like the devs planned this all.
With a crap ton of haste frost is actually pretty good.
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Because I prefer it. Frost can pull off a lot of things that other specs simply can’t or have trouble doing.
And I’m sorry but any spec that can pull over 8k overall in a dungeon isn’t a hindrance to the group. Hell, outside of combust I always beat the fire mages I run with and those guys are 90th+ percentile fire mages. Frost does high, consistent damage–especially if you can maintain good uptime on IV.
Play what you like folks. Fire/Frost are both good now.
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When I came back to the game late in 8.2 I played Frost because I had always done so in leveling. I was open to changing for raid/keys but I got close with our guild’s raid leader who was also Frost and he showed me the rotation and tricks and stuff, and we’d talk a lot about Frost so I got comfortable with the Glacial Spike build and just stuck with it. Once I saw that Fire was better in 8.3 I entertained changing specs for Mythic raid but I was missing some necessary gear (such as Font, Badge, and it took me a long time to get Hyperthreads), I didn’t like the Combust rotation and couldn’t get the hang of it, and we stopped raiding for the tier before making it to Cara/N’Zoth anyways.
In SL I stuck with Frost as long as I could but we were just so bad in raid and Fire was clearly better for all forms of content. I committed to swapping to Fire like two hours before they announced the first big Frost buff, and I just went ahead and stuck with the swap since I had already changed Covenants and wasn’t convinced a 9% flat buff to Frost would be enough to significantly close the gap in raid.
I still play Frost in a few situations. Huntsman and Stone Legion Generals in raid since Frost is better at cleave, some keys depending on affixes and group, lower keys if I don’t trust the tank or things will die too quickly, and when doing raid BoE farming since it’s just less intensive and easier to do while not really paying much attention.
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I played Arcane up until a week ago… It needs a buff but Frost got the buff, so I decided to give Frost a try. Haven’t played it with any seriousness since Vanilla, and so far I’m loving it. I still wish Arcane would get some love, but Frost is pretty cool (pun intended).
Same and agree. Ive only been fire spec once, towards the end of BC. Sure frosties get over looked from time to time, but its my first love, first toon. I think most specs in most classes can be viable if played right. Sure, not gonna own tbe dps chart every time, but isn’t finishing a dungeon, raid, or quest the bigger picture? Would love to see mages in general be put on roids, to be feared, like in some D&D lore…but doubt that will happen. Frost4life!