I have played a frost mage since classic and it has always made since that in raids the spec wasn’t competitive because of it being essentially for pvp with most of the tools you use are not useful in a raid. But I don’t understand why it has not been boosted up if you are taking the loss by wearing a cloth toon and the mobility is worse than a Demon hunter who wears leather Frost needs to be revamped so people who love the spec can be competitive against the plethora of OP non cloth wearing dps as well as other cloth dps still doing more pve damage than frost. Even if they made it based on gear and a fully geared frost mage could pump big dps it would be ok but it sucks to be ilvl374 and growing and know that most likely 9 other dps specs will blow past me in any aoe encounter. #makefrostgreatagain
Frost is middle of the pack , isn’t it?
Yeah even geared, single target Cleve it’s not but the majority of the raid is middle pack.
Are you going to raid mythic this tier?
Wasn’t Frost just either A or S tier at the end of SL? I hadn’t played Mage seriously in a long time but was having a blast destroying stuff as one for a few months before I took a break. Sucks if they’re just “meh” now
I will be with my guild but based upon how competitive it ends up being I may just leave this toon for pvp only and just band wagon the demon hunter so I can do the most dps for my team.
Demon hunter are eating a nerf to essence break. The meta will change again. I’d say just play what you like. Unless you’re in a world first guild.
With the slick ice legendary’s yes I was top 3 dps quite often but still lacked in aoe damage. With that being obsolete 100% meh even if you’re knowledgeable and geared.
Honestly with the way Blizzard handles class balance we should all just roll DH and place our left ears on the left side of our keyboards and roll…
Their rotation is quite a bit more complex now if you want the highest burst damage.
100% agree and that sucks to hear DH is my number 2 option before a shaman. It’s vital to play what you like but it doesn’t add up on frost especially with pvp not being what it once was unless your on a pvp server almost every has war mode off they just need to change the talent tree so you can let go of some of the rooting and pvp tools and add to aoe damage/burst and it would be solved.
It really wasn’t at the top ever in SL, at least in M+. It did ok through most of it but it wasn’t S tier ever.
Blizzard and frozen orb still does decent damage.
Maybe with tier gear, it will feel more complete.
But why do decent damage and be in a squishy cloth toon when you can play essentially anything else but a priest and so far superior damage and take more hits. Blizzard and orb are great comet storm isn’t horrible you can try and build strictly for aoe but it takes the points from your single target and Cleve abilities so it’s just not balanced it needs to be tuned up instead of tuning demon hunter down tune frost up. Fire is superior in raid but I would rather play tic tac toe before I play a fire mage. I hope when fully geared it feels different I’m holding out to find out.
I don’t care for fire, because the optimal way to play it has you jumping around to maximize your combustion window.