Lowest Damage of any Caster in the Game. It has been since Release with 0 buffs.
Hunters are better AoE Farmers Soloing SM:Cath and Uldamon with Easy.
Ele shaman with in Full tank gear (4k hp 48% phys dam red) hitting for 600 chain lightning or lava burst for 1000+ while Frost Mage(1.4k hp) Frostbolt =240 damage, Icelance 60 damage.
Frost can be a healer in PvP but you will have 0 kill pressure. If want kill pressure you can go Arcane one shot and die constantly until CDs are back up and get 1 kill every 3 min or go Fire and hide spamming living bomb and hope no one sees you.
Please adjust the terrible frost runes to compensate for all the new mobility runes, tank runes, and FACT that Frost is the lowest Damage spec in the game.
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You’re doing God’s work.
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The reason why I don’t even want to touch PvP. Everyone knows frost is the only viable PvP spec for mages, and even more-so in classic. So it’s either play frost and shoot peanuts or play Fire and die in 1 second instead of 5 and hopefully kill them. Arcane I haven’t touched yet, but I’m sure it’s still not that great compared to Frost PvP.
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Arcane is what everyone points to when they say “mages are good in PvP! Look at the one shot!”.
One shots are funny but that is it. It isn’t even viable in group PvP or BGs because you kill a single target and are OOM and cant play until you have CDs back up in 3min and you have 0 defensives and the lowest HP of any class. If its a duel tournament, maybe you can cheese your way through?
Glad I leveled my warlock first
Frost mages have a lot going for them. They dont need any buffs. You got 3 iceblocks and ice bubbles
You don’t even know what the abilities are called LMAO. Shamans have 4k hp and 48% phys dam reduction hitting 1200 lavabursts. Can you educate me on the other strengths of frost mage other than the ice bubbles and 17 ice cubes?
2 iceblocks and 2 barriers*
No they really don’t. Due to rogues getting shadowstep and warrs getting warbringer, the days of frost mage controlling the battlefield is at its end.
If you go frost your damage is half of what fire can offer and you are stuck hardcasting a frostbolt which can be pushed back (other than FoF ice lances).
Frost is essentially a support healer spec, and it’s a pretty scuffed one at that.
ice barrier blocks like half an auto attack. Vanilla scaling abilities don’t hold up to SoD damage/armor/weapons.
ice barrier sucks and frost mage sucks.
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So it’s like classic PoM Pyro meme spec basically? 
Wait for Talisman and Presence of Mind to be off CD poly, Pyro, instant Pyro, then be useless for another 3 min? Sounds like a really viable spec
Yeah, it’s PoM Pyro but you pom arcane blast and then arcane surge. It’s literally worse than PoM Pyro bc you go to 0% mana as soon as you surge. It’s like PoM pyro but if they don’t die you have 0 mana and just die or mana gem, r1 poly, and evo. Even if you can get the “recovery” off congrats you are stuck with no frost defensives and no CDS and you are going to die.
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why would mage complain about rogue shadowstep when it literally has a gcd and cannot even touch mage. just blink and run away.
if you are a frost mage cannot get away from rogue, you are just a bad player.
Let me break it down for you because you seem to be new to the rogue vs mage classic match up.
Rogue opens with cheap, Mage blinks, Rogue steps mut then kidney, Mage blocks, if he sits block free restealth if he doesnt blind into reset. Mage doesn’t have block and you die this time.
Rogue can also just open ambush with imp sprint if you blink and try to poly (your only win condition) the rogue step kicks and you are dead.
If you get an unlucky frostbite proc because you are PvE spec, vanish step cheap or ambush, GG
Also, I can tell you are an actual bad player and don’t understand the match up at all so I wouldn’t go around showing your ignorance and calling other players bad.
lol how do you step then still can get mutilate, that’s unreal, mage can just walk away.
If step and Mut are on the same rune slot its a non-issue, SS or backstab, its irrelevant.
You should look at your talent tree and read the improved sprint talent and then think about how instantly being on your target without being able to be rooted or slowed and having kick and gouge available to interupt any spell cast will work.
Again, if you are a new player or having trouble with an easy matchup look up some guides or use common sense. Calling people bad when your opinion goes against the established majority opinion is a foolish endeavor. You are likely the bad one in this scenario.
Mage is the most balanced of them all
Glass Canon 1 shot - Arcane
Great PVE Damage - Fire
Great PVP Control - Frost
We can move around to any major city
We can make our own food and water
We have Scrolls that give us hit and crit and mana recovery
We can AoE farm down groups of mobs and are the only ones that can boost efficiently.
Why are you crying?
WHy are you CRYING!?
because scroll system is terrible and people have spent over 2000g and still cant get the Scroll of the Blade
I watched someone go through 500 scrolls and not a single one… just in one sit down lol.
for the 3rd best mage equip this phase… maybe 4th
You are out of touch with reality.
Glass Canon 1 shot - Arcane
This is the worst part of Arcane - nothing to do with frost
Great PVE Damage - Fire
You are right here, Fire in PvE is fun - nothing to do with frost
Great PVP Control - Frost - was true in era, not anymore see above post
We can move around to any major city - Anyone can do this, there are summons for 50s to any city
We can make our own food and water - Food and water are cheap and drop constantly from mobs, most classes have much better sustain with new runes making it even weaker - nothing to do with frost
We have Scrolls that give us hit and crit and mana recovery - I see you like lootbox gameplay, these are essentially trash unless they rework the mage scroll system
We can AoE farm down groups of mobs and are the only ones that can boost efficiently. - This isnt true at all anymore. You must have not seen the MANY hunter boosters in SM Cath and Uldamon. Balance can also boost now.
This is not Era, Arcane and Fire are fine, This thread is about Frost
People just reiterate antiquated ideas from vanilla/classic that have no bearing in SoD
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Ice Lance is so bad in its current form that they could make it a skill book instead of costing a rune slot and people still wouldn’t use it in PvE.
People would never use Ice lance, its literally a DPS loss compared to using a wand