They buffed Overload proc from 33% to 50% , Fingers of frost should go from 15%-25%
Frost runes def feel underwhelming on scaling compared to every other rune ability for other classes
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All the frost runes feel kinda bad to use compared to fire runes even as frost spec
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Yeah idk how they scaled a 3 sec cast frostfire bolt so low. Compared to things like starsurge / lava burst etc
I also think thinks like frostfire / spellfrost bolt should benefit from things that effect frostbolt.
.5 sec reduced cast time and range talents etc would go a long way.
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Frostfire bolt hitting for such sad numbers compared to say, Incinerate (another spammable filler nuke for a caster) Despite having the benefit of whichever Frost or Fire talents you choose is a real puzzle - like what is it even doing?
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arcane blast 2.5 sec cast , 211-245 dmg
Spellfrost bolt 2.5 sec cast , 94-110 dmg ?
Frostfire bolt 3 sec cast 120-139 dmg???
At lvl 27 make it make sense
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Frostfire bolt does hit for less than you would expect a 3 second cast to hit for, even with the slow/dot combined. The way this spell shines is through its sharing of talents. We don’t have all of the talents we need yet to make this shine but at 50 and 60 I am betting this is the top dog spell, the more crit we get the better it becomes. I don’t know if it can outscale hotstreak but it will be nasty.
It benefits from crit damage bonus in frost, crit damage bonus in fire, untested but assuming it benefits from 10% winters chill crit, 6% critical mass crit, 15% damage from imp scorch, and the spell power boot rune adding a flat 50% more crit damage.
The kicker is this thing has a crit multiplier of 2.5 with ice shards and spell power rune, then ignite adds 40% of 2.5 which is 100% of the base damage, totaling the crit multiplier to 350%.
In other words, your frostfire bolt that hits for 400 will crit for 1,400. We don’t have enough crit yet.
The price you pay for playing the most fun and high skillcap spec is that it’s mediocre I guess. Full frost with Regen + Rewind Time for huge damage-reversals, Brain Freeze and Missile Barage for high-damage procs from Rank 1 frostbolt fishing, and Living Flame for guaranteed big DoT damage.
The toolkit of those talents + runes feels pretty low damage when you’re not getting procs but is really fun and probably the highest skillcap PvP loadout of any spec in the game.
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Arcane is suppose to be a dump your mana spec, which means arcane is generally very high damage but only for short periods. FFB is very mana efficient and can benefit from ignite, the spells aren’t that different in value when you get hit crit %s
pretty much, mage is really hard to play in this bursty-hyper mobility version of classic we have
My lava burst crits for 1150 -1350 and can overload for 700 and is a 2 second cast
frost rune scaling is a joke
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same way earth shield heals for a flat 100 at lvl 25 and the same at 40 lmao
Just some scaling makes 0 sense and doesnt seem thought out
and what does your frostfire bolt crit for when you add ignite and scale it to 40 like you scaled your lava burst?
this is a frost mage thread idk why you keep talking about ignite and 50-60 potential scaling?
Like other specs arent going to get even more at 50-60
Frostfire bolt seems to have the same scaling as frostbolt so tooltip will be around 227-247 compared to lava bursts tooltip i think of 380-520 or something lmao
Its not even close and i know diff classes are diff. but all the frost runes seeem cooked and dont scale which is why nobodys really playing it. nobody wants an entire phases of runes that are “better later” lmao
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Because you clearly demonstrated a lack of understanding of how frostfire bolt works, the clue is in the name of the spell. Frost mages often rolled 17 arcane for IMP CS, frostfire bolt requires at least 10, preferably 12 in fire spec.
I wouldn’t mind if it got a bit of a base damage buff, but it might not need it with enough crit.
For the record I respecced to the frost mage “proc build” and I’m not sure it needs a buff.
Fingers of frost for 2 ice lances
brain freeze for fire ball
barrage for arcane missiles
perma frost for ice lance or shatter combo
This spec is like trying to win the lottery when only 3 people bought tickets, super easy to hit it big.
because you asked for clarity on why frostfire bolt isn’t as good base damage as arcane blast, and i was trying to give that clarity, its a fire spell
ive yet to see useful frost mages in Bmoons but ill keep looking and see how it feels at 40 . not hopeful for frost runes personally
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problem is a lot of the dual bolts have no specs to support them til 50+
imp bliz with a full ranged team is disgusting. fish in a barrel.
Which is my point . its a p3 rune not a p2 rune
The runes mages got seem awful for p2
If the runes come online later drop them … then ?
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Arcane blast - base damage is high
gains 3% dmg and crit from deep arcane talents
sometimes does 30% more damage
buffs another arcane spell
Frost spells
100% increased crit damage bonus
10% crit
6% base damage
fire spells
ignite = 2.1 crit multiplier
15% damage imp scorch
6% passive crit
4% passive crit to fireblast and scorch
combustion
bloodmoon is not serious pvp, it is a fun and silly minigame, you should be looking for large crowds and spreading your living bombs while you eat popcorn.
If the runes come online later drop them … then ?