Interesting… Will we be able to swap out Frostbolt with Frostfire bolt and bring Frost to the middle of the pack for DPS?
I Saw the good news brother!
Sad there is no FoF bug fix but this is great news, Frostfire bolt is going to be amazing… I think.
This is a massive damage increase and scaling increase should now be hitting A LOT harder. Will be a buff in PvP as well. Spellfrost can also heal you in PvP so that will be cool to see.
Just need FoF to be fixed and Ice Lance coefficient to go to .25 from .15 and we are perfect
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Silly question, but working on my frost build now…
Does FoF proc on bosses? They are immune to chill right? I haven’t run frost in a dungeon in quite some time.
Trying to figure out if it’s worth it to have FoF or Burnout for the increased crit.
Lol no. Still dead last.
Yeah, just like we said, small buff that won’t help the problem. Ice lance is undertuned and pulls down FoF.
Keeping Spell Power and Burnout as the runes, and going up into Fire for Ignite, and then into Frost for Ice Shards and Piercing Ice… We could see Frostfire Spam outperform fire.
I don’t think so just because of the insanely good Fire Talents further down the tree like flat damage % increase and crit. I do think Frost Mages using your build will do WAY WAY more damage than they are now. I think at 50 it’ll really start to pick up with more of the talents but only time will tell.
I think we may pass MM as Frost mage now.
FoF will proc against raid bosses and this is one of the only cases that you’d take them instead of Frostbite since they override each other and Frostbite doesnt proc on raid bosses.
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Sure, let’s stay factually based.
Mage is a class in World of Warcraft - Classic - Season of Discovery. Frost Mage does not exist as a selectable class. Mage is a class.
As it stands now Mage is the top 2 damage dealing options in the entire game, one of which is a healing spec.
Frost is a specialization. You choose to play Frost. You could choose to play Fire, or you could choose to leave your specialization points unspent entirely - you would still be a Mage…
As it stands now, and historically - for the entire duration of Classic WoW - Frost is the PvP spec of the class. To make it overpowered would destroy all balance in PvP at all times.
Are you willing to sacrifice the overwhelming performance of the other two specialization lines for Frost to be brought up to a medium tier? Probably not. You’re a retail player who views each spec as an individual class - and that is not what classic era is. Balance is done based around the class as a whole.
Mage has multiple specialization lines performing above literally every other class in the entire game.
Regardless of your frantic desperation to try and disassociate class to specialization - the reality is that classes exist, specializations are choices within that class. You cannot separate the two, regardless of how hard you are trying.
The sooner you come to terms with class balance being done by classes - not by specialization - the quicker you can start progressing your understanding of metagame balance as a whole.
Heyyyyyy this is awkward but we’re gonna have to ask you to leave. This is kinda a frost mages club and there have been some complaints.
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Thats not what the sims say. 
Looks like hot streak is still better sadly.
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You’ve been asked to leave by multiple members of the SoD Mage delegation. You are incapable of intelligent conversation or grasping simple concepts such as Specs are balanced individually. You continually lie. Respectfully, leave the thread and never return.
Lowest Regards,
Sgtpepper, Chief FoF Bug Inspector
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This is your third write-up, and the mage thread handbook clearly states “Three strikes you’re out, bro”. That being said, we are going to have to let you go. You also lose your rights to any and all previous benefits, vacation time and or 401k matching. We wish you well at your next thread.
You can’t stay on topic, can you? How about addressing what I wrote instead.
“As it stands now, and historically - for the entire duration of Classic WoW - Frost is the PvP spec of the class.”
Wrong. Frost was " A " pvp spec, in fact it was one of a few in vanilla WoW. There was also PoM Pyro and Elementalist. There are PvP talents in every skill tree because all specs had the ability to make PvP builds. Frost got pigeonheld to being the PvP spec from TBC onwards because of how the tree scales with available itemization.
“To make it overpowered would destroy all balance in PvP at all times.”
Hyperbole much? A balance to what? Dueling?
To this point, have you been playing SoD at all? What PvP balance are you talking about?
“It’s also difficult to take serious when Fire mage is parsing the highest in the entire game across the current raid content on a consistent basis”
Such a lame excuse, would have this argument been more legitimate in phase 1 when mages were dead center of the meters? Because we were still complaining that the spec was broken then.
“Are you willing to sacrifice the overwhelming performance of the other two specialization lines for Frost to be brought up to a medium tier? Probably not.”
Yes, I am. I would most certainly give up top dps as fire, so frost could have relevancy in PvE. My guild doesn’t need me topping the charts to go 6/6 on gnomer. Nobody has to sweat that hard to beat these raids.
"Regardless of your frantic desperation to try and disassociate class to specialization - the reality is that classes exist, specializations are choices within that class. You cannot separate the two, regardless of how hard you are trying.
The sooner you come to terms with class balance being done by classes - not by specialization - the quicker you can start progressing your understanding of metagame balance as a whole."
Except class balance ISN’T being done by class AND IS being done by specialization. As evidence of melee hunters (top of the DPS meters) getting nerfed and ranged hunters being buff. That’s whole point of SoD, they want EVERYONE to viable. That’s why classes have runes relevant to EACH specialization, to enable builds for EACH specilization. The sooner you come to terms with this you’ll understand Blizzard motives for buffing frost mages.
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You don’t get to make those dictations. Your constant insults, and lack of factual data are disgusting.
This has been confirmed via The Arcane Tower (mage discord, 25k+ members) to not be bugged, and does not exclusively proc at the same time.
Thanks for playing.
If it is not 100% exclusive, it is 95+% exclusive. And I argue that 5% is due to other factors like resists heartbeats etc.
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I find it rather amusing that you would flat out deny someone of their opinion until they provide “evidence” and “data” for your convenience, while citing a mere word-of-mouth opinion as your rationale.
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Oh, I actually provided the source earlier in the thread with irrefutable proof - mobs that are frostbite-applicable on WCL across 172,000 logs are not showing 100% proc rate equation to Fingers of Frost.
I even explained how you can readily replicate these results, what auras to filter by, and what to look for in them – so that you can come to your own conclusions.
That’s why OP is so angry. I used factual, irrefutable logs to prove that his pearl-grasp was functionally wrong… That it happens in under 3% of all scenarios, which is low enough to be considered statistically irrelevant.
You still can’t find the link I gave you? It shows them procing exclusively at the same time over and over from chill effects. Whatever you want to believe does not reflect reality.
You constantly lie and just keep responding to me despite my attempts to help you move on. I think of you as the sad sad little person that you must be evidenced by your desperately clinging to the obviously erroneous statements in denial. Why do you persist? It’s pathetic, just move on.
Buddy, WCL is mainly getting data from bosses that can’t be frozen…Besides, most raiders don’t run frostbite as I said previously, it is useless in boss fights.
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Yes FoF always procs together with Frostbite if you have them both talented. No it is not a bug, it’s intended. The purpose of FoF is to get Shatter combos working in PVE against Root (ie. can’t be Nova’d or otherwise ‘Frozen’) immune targets like bosses. You will not suddenly get 30% FoF proc rate if they ‘fix the bug’.
The problem with FoF/Ice Lance is not that it procs with Frostbite, it’s that they took the objectively crappy version from WotLK instead of the superior version from Cata onwards. Namely:
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Ice Lance was changed to higher base damage but only 2x damage against Frozen targets/with FoF, instead of low base damage/3x multiplier.
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FoF gave a further 15% damage buff to IL on top of making it proc double damage. Meanwhile Frostbolt was given a 20% damage buff against ONLY PHYSICALLY FROZEN ENEMIES (ie not PVE bosses, encouraging hard casting in PVP rather than only throwing instants).
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FoF only buffs a few select spells in Cata. Frostbolt and Fire/Arc spells spells can not consume FoF, only IL, Deep Freeze, and Brain Freeze consuming FFBs can.
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FoF only procs 1 stack at a time in Cata, allowing Frost mages to only spend the 2nd stack to prevent overflow while ‘holding’ the first for either a Brain Freeze proc (near guaranteeing a crit FFB+Ignite) or Deep Freeze (deals high damage against stun immune targets, rumored to be Head slot rune in P3 SoD) as soon as it’s off CD.
It’s sad that so much digital ink has been wasted on this supposed ‘bug’ when all of it was known back in 2008/09, instead of solving the actual problems with the spec/runes.
No, the reason that Frost is utter crap in SoD, is because it has to spend 4 slots to do 2 core mechanics (FoF IL and BF FFB) because it can’t pick up Burnout or Spellpower like Arcane and Fire can (while still getting their equivalent procs in Missile Barrage and Hot Streak). Furthermore it benefits less from Living Flame due to it being Fire/Arc damage and there not being a good new Frost/Fire or Frost/Arc rune (FFB and SFB are both underpowered and replaces main nuke rather than being supplemental damage like Living Flame). And of course even Deep Freeze dealing damage AND Water Elemental (no sign its coming to SoD) is not enough to get Frost competitive in WotLK. Devs really screwed up not taking Frost design from post Cata/MoP. Where is Flurry? Where is Thermal Void? Where is Icicles/Glacial Spike? We don’t want WotLK Frost. It wasn’t good then, it certainly isn’t good now in its gimped half-baked version in SoD.