I’ve tested it its roughly .15~ scaling atm, its extremely bad.
Yuck! I bet bliz scaled it so that it has normal SP scaling against frozen targets (.429 for instant/1.5s casts), which would make your .15 scaling checkout.
What a terrible spell. Requires the target to be frozen in order to deal less damage than the base damage of a fire blast.
It honestly just needs either a base damage buff, quadruple damage, or normalized SP scaling before the damage amp against frozen units
Still waiting for this “compiled data”.
Every source of information I can find says you’re wrong. You’ve had time to reply to this thread multiple times insisting you’re right and arguing with people - but not time to nuke a training dummy 50 times and upload the screenshot of FoF versus Frostbite procs off details?
Want the secret? The big reveal that’s why Frost does bad dps? Lack of % scaling natural damage increases, and ice lance SP coefficient being very low.
It’s not bugged. It’s just suboptimal, but that’s okay - because the other 66% of the entire class is crushing the game atm.
I don’t owe you anything, I am not on a deadline to hand you a report for a game I play a for fun. I am analyzing the data as I want to because I am not paid to undertake this project. Recording and editing a video requires I be on my PC at home spending my valuable time. Typing on a forum is easy and can be done on a phone when I have a few min of downtime.
What sources do you have? For attacking someone for not outright documenting every statement they make it sure is hypocritical for you to just say “source of information”.
You are the only one arguing on this thread, the rest of the people are in agreement that this is bugged and are discussing experiencing the same and seeing streamers run into the exact issue to corroborate my assumptions.
There is no secret, everyone is aware of Frost Damage being baseline Era spells and Ice lance having a .15~ SP coefficient. Weird how you take my word on that finding but not the FoF/Frostbite Bug. Frost is under every tank in Average DPS and was just passed up by Resto Druid.
Edited to include this EvIdEnCe: https: //sod. warcraftlogs. com/zone/statistics/2008#sample=7&metric=bossdps&class=Any
While Fire and Arcane are fun and great, Frost Being Under Every Tank, Two Healers, and the entire roster of DPS specs in the game is not okay, to argue that, is to admit you are incapable of basic logic.
It’s bugged and you are publicly embarrassing yourself.
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“I HAVE PROOF! I HAVE DATA! LOOK AT ALL THIS DATA”
“Sure, give me the data”
“NO, I DON’T OWE YOU ANYTHING”
My proof: Warcraft Logs. Procrate on Frostbite to Fingers of Frost is significantly off in numbers, and they are not happening simultaneously in raids/metered content. Not even particularly hard to verify - go to WCL, filter by Aura, type in Fingers of Frost, check every single solitary mage and see when they proc’d frostbite if the times aligned every single time as you claim they do - realize it’s less than 10% of the time - profit. Literally 17,381 frost mage gnomer/BFD logs all show an occurrence of sub 10% - meaning low enough to be numerically irrelevant.
If it’s “no secret” - it should be easy for you to provide. But you wont.
To argue 33% of a class - this is classic era, the game is based around classes, not specs - is performing low while 66% of the class is quite literally the top two dps in the entire game is the most disingenuous self biased self indignant idiocy I’ve seen in a while.
It is quite literally the #1 dps class in the game. Non satirically. Of the top 100 spots, 73 of them are Mages.
Wow, you don’t know Frostbite doesn’t proc on Raid Bosses?
That’s your data, which is completely flawed? Have you ever played a mage? Hahaha
You’re completely delusional, this isn’t classic era you absolute doorknob. They specifically address specs individually in SoD. See Shadow Priest, Melee Hunter, Boomkin, Etc. See all of the recent patch notes for SoD. Yikes, you are embarrassing yourself, just bow out.
Your “brain” must be comprised of matter from the core of a neutron star because you are DENSE.
Also, I know you have some sort of reading comprehension issue or learning disability so let me say it again. I am compiling data, it isn’t ready yet, I know that is hard for you to understand my small-minded friend. Patience.
Here is a video clip in the meantime: https:// www .loom .com/share/51d2a9dca82941d5bee94274f4e4250a
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It actually is classic era. It’s using the same coding, core coding, world coding, and API as classic era. It is functionally ran on the exact same servers as classic era, with the same patch cycle, and same backend.
Do you understand how to extrapolate data at all? You filter by mobs that have frostbite/nova/frozen effects, and then look at the percentages. This is not difficult.
All of those classes are being balanced per class, not per spec.
This is wildly inappropriate, and will probably get you forum muted. Recommend you edit it out before just me reports it.
Still waiting on your proof.
Weird, so what about all the class changes, new items, patches, balancing, raids, NPCs, and bifurcated databases? You are factually wrong. This is a seasonal server of classic WoW that is inherently different. This is not era, you load “World of Warcraft: Classic” from the client, then it is even specified in your client when you choose your Realm type between Hardcore, Seasonal, or Classic Era. Stop lying to try and push your narrative. You are wrong.
You’re relying on a third party website that you obviously can’t even use correctly versus me playing a mage and experiencing the bug consistently every single Frostbite/FoF proc and being corroborated by other mage players on the thread and Xaryu apparently also streamed this same bug LIVE for THOUSANDS TO SEE. I assume you know what user error is? This is what you are experiencing on Warcraft Logs.
No, again you are wrong, some abilities that are tuned are gained specifically through specializations. When the developers talk about their reason for changes they mention specific playstyles and specializations. They don’t say we reduced the amount of damage raptor strike does BECAUSE OF ALL HUNTERS, they specifically mention specs and playstyles, like Melee Hunter. STOP LYING.
I suppose it may be inappropriate to address your disabilities on a public forum, I won’t edit it though because it’s true and I’m not a coward like you. See the many instances of you displaying your inabilities to read and extrapolate meaning from the words in this thread.
I know we just mentioned one of your many obvious mental disabilities in the last comment but try and read through my last post and find the link to a video clip of the bug happening over and over again in just over a minute. Procing both FoF and Frostbite simultaneously from multiple chill effect sources. It’s not conclusive hard data, which I am trying to produce through consistent testing over a significant period of time, rather than a knee-jerk reaction.
Please just never talk to me again, you are a repugnant stain on the fabric of time.
You should consider taking a break. Your entire last response was not only forum account suspension worthy, but account closure worthy.
You should heavily consider re-reading the code of conduct.
So not even going to concede that you are wrong? Just here to threaten me?
Why do you continue to engage me in discussion if I offend you so much?
Few cases where it was decent in pvp vs easily kiteable melees but I agree the crit rune is just to good.
I’m not threatening you at all. I’m recommending you review the code of conduct requirement for participation here.
I’m also not going to have a conversation with someone who’s repeatedly lying then when exposed results to spamming IRL based insults at people.
So you’re just ignoring the link I gave you and all the statements I made about how you are factually wrong?
Ignoring me telling you to stop talking to me?
Please just leave the thread, nothing is going to happen to my account you absolute dingbat. You are wrong on every level and a waste of my time.
here’s the thing tho
frost mage should suck.
How illuminating, you truly are a gifted individual
this argument is in such bad faith. the whole purpose of SoD was to make specs viable. That’s why all hybrids specs are somewhat viable, its why we have melee hunters, rogue tanks, etc. The fact that frost mages have been the worst performing DPS spec for the entirety of SoD and now the worst spec period (TANKS, DPS, and some Healers) is absurd.
By your arguement all hybrids should just shut up and heal like in vanilla WoW.
Frost mages have a reasonable argument because the entire spec lacks identity.
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I HATE when this happens. Seems FoF procs before even making contact with the target. This issue is exacerbated by the distance between myself and the target. It makes using Weakauras mandatory when running a frost build and wanting to take advantage of Ice Lance, or it requires you to pause frost bolt casts, which also feels bad.
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You’re misconstruing “viable” with “overpowered”. Frost Mage has never not been a viable spec through MC/BWL. It still is. You’re just not #1, so you’re mad about it.
Bad faith is insisting that despite 66% of the class performing quite literally the best in the entire game that 33% of the class isn’t - and therefor needs to be buffed so that the only classes able to compete against Mage is Mage.
Bad faith is ignoring all of the insane power budgeting in the mage toolkit, and that fire is definitively the highest DPS spec in game both now and at end-game-full-bis-60 but whining that Frost isn’t - despite it being a more utility focused spec.
Bad faith is being unhappy at being #1, and #2 global because you aren’t also #3 global as your PvP spec that brings PvP based skills to the table.
“Viability” does not mean “Dominance”.
What are you rambling about? We are PHASES away from MC/BWL? People will go Arcane if Frost isn’t fixed in MC/BWL. Fire Mage is doing well in the top 2 depending on average, median, or top 1%. Arcane DPS is middle of the pack, which is fine, it’s fun! Frost is below tanks and healers as the only DPS in the game below tanks and healers, this is bad. See the entire thread. I know you struggle to use Warcraft Logs but really try and I think you might be able to figure it out.
I know you are a compulsive liar based on all of your statements but please try and dial it back if you can. Fire is at the top. Arcane is middle of the pack in heals and DPS. There is no lower DPS in the game than Frost. The thread is about Frost. Stop trying to strawman and derail the thread with your non-logic.
You have no idea what you are talking about as usual. No one knows who will be the top DPS at 60. No one knows the raid encounters because they haven’t been released yet. Again this is completely about Frost and you can’t help but talk about how players should just never play that spec and play Fire instead. Please at least try to comprehend the words you read. We just want Frost to not be the ONLY DPS under Tanks and Healers, a totally reasonable and sound adjustment.
You consistently put words in everyones mouth. You lie constantly. Fire is in the top two. Arcane is middle of the pack. Frost is under Tanks and DPS as the worst DPS in the game with bugged and underwhelming runes. I’ll keep repeating it because I know you need to read things many many many times before they sink in but this entire thread is about Frost.
Please leave my thread and stop de-railing the conversation. Do not reply to me. Just leave.
no facts just feelings…
here are some facts for you
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as it stands frost could get a 40% damage buff and still be in dead last on the dps meters.
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frost is being outperformed by TANKS and HEALERS.
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Frost has been on the bottom of the charts for 2 consecutive phases
try to stay on topic, this thread is about frost mages. It’s not about fire, it’s not about arcane, it’s about frost ,and why the spec is utter garbage in SoD not vanilla, not classic, but SoD.
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