Frost mage really needs Deep Freeze for PVP. I have no clue why blizzard took it out on legion it was the cherry on the cake for the class to its combos and be effective on pvp.
Many abilities were brought back into the game like Shattering Throw to warriors, why not bring back Deep Freeze or Frost Jaw?
Another thing that Flurry skill is terrible, the Frost Fire Bolt was one the best skills for the class. If u are a dev and it is reading this, please reconsider. Make FROST MAGES FUN AGAIN!! <3
Frost mage is currently one of the best PvP classes on beta. It doesn’t need anything.
It would be interesting to see deep freeze, shimmer, and frost jaw on the same talent row.
This would be the only way to add it without it being overpowered, you didn’t have deep freeze with shimmer before. So it would be fair
A mage demanding more CC is like a paladin demanding more support or a WW demanding more mobility.
You’re already the best at what you do by a mile, at some point that’s going to have to be enough.
To be fair, the gameplay of frost mage was more enjoyable when we had deep freeze. The push to make it a competitive PvE spec started to hurt the flavor in pvp.
No you do not.
It would be NICE to have a stun as a mage, but that’s been shown to be overpowered in tandem with their kit. Polymorph would need to change.
Yes, overtuned abilities are often fun for the classes that have them. They’re considerably less fun for everyone else which is something that warrants consideration too.
Thats what i think. How it is right now Shimmer still a MUST the other talents are worthless.
I do like the way blizzard worked out the arcane mage. But frost still needs tuning for pvp. The Deep Freeze/Frozen Jaw still a must in a spec u need to cast so much to build damage.
However i do agree Deep Freeze + Shimmer would be overkill, placing them on the same row would make a interesting choice of play stile.
Deep freeze was at a different time. I don’t like what shimmer has done to the game, but so much mobility, anti mobility, ranged interrupts and pseudo interrupts have been added to the game, you can’t just blanket remove it. DF would be an interesting spell to compete with it. It also DRs with rogue, the most common partner for mage.
But the complaining from you is also rich because mage dominance in 3v3 is only ever rivaled and surpassed by…you guessed it, rogues.
I’m unsure of what you think I’m complaining about. How overtuned an ability that no longer exists in the game is?
I’m not here to defend the state of rogues either but feel free to presume that I am. I think that rogues, particularly subtlety, are due for a nerf.
I oppose the return of DF like I oppose the return of gouge baseline. The rich don’t need to get richer.
I don’t PvP but it seems that most top end PvPers did just fine without Deep Freeze this season. I was watching some online PvP tournament and the most popular 3s combination was mage + warlock + pally/mw monk heals. Depending on the arena they often went Frost and managed to hold their own quite well.
Thats not true.
If u look up the mages that got Rank 1 u gonna see that the vast majority of them are fire, with a couple as arcane. Personally i dindt see any playing frost in the last season of BFA.
Since most classes got abilities back would be good for frost mage to get deep freeze back. It would make the spec viable.
On the tournaments that were streamed with casting, I saw mages switching between both Fire to Frost depending on the arena.
It doesn’t appear to me as though frost needs much help, particularly in the CC department.
I really don’t why the mages in their class forum are such masachists. They act like their own mage spells are super OP while arguing how they don’t need anything else.
Never mind that EVERY other class has a heal.
Never mind that EVERY other class has a stun.
For almost every class, it’s even baseline.
Mage doesn’t even get it as a possible talent.
They act like polyform is incredible - never mind that every other class also has an incapacitate.
They also all have an interrupt, and they all have slows. Some have ST ones, some have AOE ones, and some even have both ST and AOE slows and stuns.
Blink is always brought up, while somehow ignoring the fact other classes, all of them, have either a closure or an ability that speeds up their movement.
There was a time when Mage was unique, but that time is over. The various CCs that mage have are now baseline or a talent to all other classes.
Finally, they deal damage by waiting for RNG procs, while other classes just do their abilities, and their CDs don’t require them to stand still to do maximum damage either.
Why mages on these class forums defend being such a gimped class, while denying having things ALL other classes have, is beyond me. Yet it’s too commonly mages themselves who argue they are fine.
My only suspicion is that they haven’t really tried playing anything else.
I don’t understand how you have so much time to go on every single class forum complaining
Pandemic and playing every class
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You can’t add those spells back in today’s game, but I would bet a million gold if you surveyed all arena folks, the majority enjoyed pvp more when those abilities were in the game.
Baseline gouge and deep freeze were activated abilities that offered counters and better gameplay. Sub being a stun bot is far less fun than having gouge and old shadow dance back.
Mages only having blink but unique spells like frost jaw or deep freeze were also better for the game.
I’m not a fan of the mobility arms war and pve each other down in arena, which is what it’s becoming more and more each expansion.