That if they actually spec into frost its the best caster spec in the game rn.
How does that make it a PVP spec? Thatâs LITERALLY the PVE spec from Molten Core.
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Yea, except those boomkin, shadow priest, ele shaman are all better at pvp than a frost mage.
Heck even fire mage is better at pvp. Spamming living bomb and throwing insta pyroclast is still more effective than trying to get off a 3 second cast (frostfire bolt) with no spell pushback protection.
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Why are you trying to hardcast as a frost mage in PVP? This sounds like a you problem.
Huh yeah, from the look of things Frost and Fire Mages are doing the exact same rotation, its just that Frost Mages get more damage out of Frostfire Bolt than Fire Mages do.
Interesting.
Nah, thatâs last phase. Mages donât have the mana to spam scorch anymore. Fire mages, like frost mages are also spamming frostfire bolt. Some only spamming scorch in the beginning to apply the increased fire damage debuff on the boss.
SoD is the worst poo poo Iâve ever seen Blizzard serve and if people are still eating the poo poo and complaining about it than they deserve the poo poo breath
I mean âspammingâ in the sense that the fire mage has to scorch 5 times before he can start casting FFB and also had to waste GCDs refreshing it.
What else would you be doing thatâs not a hard cast? Spamming living bomb?
If youâre spamming living bomb, better to be a fire mage, since it crits a lot and you get an insta pyroblast. As a frost mage, you donât get anything.
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Frost Nova, Cone of Cold, Ice Lance, Deep Freeze, Proc Brain FreezeâŠ
You realize the go to Classic Era mage was the elemental spec, a spec of mage designed entirely around instant cast only shatter combos. You literally just use shatter + instant casts.
Right. If there was a 3rd mage in the raid thatâs getting the scorch debuff and winterâs chill for free, they would do more DPS as 0/31/10 (fire) than 0/10/31 (frost). So at the end of the day, the best DPS possible is still going 31 talent points in fire, not frost.
So this whole âfrost mage best dpsâ is simply not true.
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Shatter every 30sec is the only thing going on for frost mage. Other than that, you shouldnât be getting up close, esp in group fights.
No one is using ice lance. It hits less than my wand damage. Even with 31 points into frost, living bomb is so much better.
Brain freeze is another pretty terrible rune that most arenât using. Having a 2sec cast heal (chrono) is going to give you so much more utility and effectiveness in group pvp than a fairly low proc chance rune that also requires you to hard cast a spell (except for frost nova and cone of cold, both close range spells).
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Cringe detected, opinion deflected.
24 second cd nova with proc chance roots. Do you even mage?
No it definitely does a lot more and the strongest mages I have fought against in PVP have been using it.
Which is GASP another instance cast.
To each their own I suppose. I wasnât aware you were taking inventory of every PVP mage. Sounds like itâs âI donât use it because I think itâs terrible.â
Maybe, thatâs still not something that promotes hardcasting so heavily.
I meant to say deep freeze, not shatter, since thatâs what you mentioned and what I quoted.
It really doesnât. I hardly see any mages, alliance or horde, using ice lance.
Yea and if youâre going to be spamming living bomb, you get so much more out of it with hot streak and insta pyro blast. And if you rune into hot streak, well, you donât get frostfire bolt. And as a frost mage you lose out on that big shatter hit of a frostfire bolt with ignite.
Chrono heal is OP. 2 sec cast that heals for 1700, and crits (fairly often) for 2500. Hard to pass on that over anything else, really
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Frost remained a relevant and competitive dps spec all the way through up to and including Naxx (excluding Sapph).
Completely incorrect.
I guess we will find out this go-around at SoD MC if they remove the fire resists which spec will prove better.
It should be fire, but with still only 20 man maybe not. Really need that 4-5 mage stack for those nutty ignites.
Kinda not really if frost ends up having under-tuned runes compared to the other specs. Same for the other specs and their runes. You canât make a blanket statement about a spec âbeing betterâ just based on the spec any more. You have to take into consideration what the runes are for that spec.
If Phase 4 comes out and the frost runes are terrible, and fire has good runes, then all that means is that, once again, frost got stiffed on runes for the phase.
It definitely wonât mean that âfrost was only relevant because of resistsâ.
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Im on board with everything except this point lol. Frost was legit the only option in MC and BWL on Era servers because of resists⊠so in a way it was only relevant because of that⊠When AQ came out it was an immediate swap to fire no?
Actually crit and other factors mattered too. Igniteâs mechanic and the way that it works with everything was very wonky, and dependent on a certain gear level.