So I leveled my mage to 70 - Damage meter averages 9-10k PVE…Now the mage is only ilvl 269, but the lock at 380ilvl is pulling 30k+ DPS.
Are mages just bad currently or will the ilvl (385 gear) bring them into tandem with other DPS?
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It’s ilvl. Frost mage damage is okay. We jusut need a LOT if secondary stats especially crit/mastery and haste to be viable.
We are particularly good at ST and target fights and on the weaker side when it comes.to AoE
Ah yeah forgot to add. Don’t listen to doomers. If mage is literally nit in the first three spot on every single boss then according to them we are bad. We are in an okay position.
I wont tell you anything, noone sad on my time lmao
prepare to regret leveled mage in DF
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Get some gear from from forbidden reach and get up to 395 Ilevel and you’ll see a decent boost to DPS.
I mean if we’re not in the first 3 spots in M+ that’s absolutely a problem… But also, prior to the buffs we aren’t in an “okay” position. All 3 specs in the bottom 8 on raid logs. That’s pretty poor for a class that has very limited raid utility.
@OP yes it is an ilvl problem (mostly) - the difference between a 405ilvl and a 415 is massive. Frost starts off low but scales really well with gear currently. Frost also isn’t very bursty so in norm/heroic dungeons things will die before you get any damage into them, especially if you have a beast-derper or derpon-hunter who can just push 1 button the whole run. Frost is also as an added bonus inherently weak against 3-6 targets, so if your tank is only pulling 1 pack at a time then you won’t see numbers.
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What? Are you a doomer?
I think it’s when Blizzard says we have freedom, but then you look at the current talent tree, and there is only one single way to place your points in for optimal play.
There’s really only 2 options, which is ST and another tree for AoE.
We got buffed, but a lot of the burger tbey made was for talents you either didn’t choose, or are attempting to “shoehorn”, like having you pick Glacial Assault or Comet Storm, which is current not advisable. It’ll be a comedy to still not even choose those things, even after the numbers buff. And, still, absolutely not a single thing on Glacial Spike, which is a cornerstone cap talent, and extremely undertuned and undervalued.
That’s my issue. It’s like they slapped this stuff together, and aren’t even really trying. Frost isn’t last, it’s not first, and usually in the middle. I’m fine with that. I’m not fine with, when buffs supposedly have little to no effect in the longrun, which is sort of a theme when it comes to Mage.
But, we’ve yet to see anything. The buffs aren’t here yet, and we won’t really get to decide what’s going on until then.
hate to tell you this but both derp hunters push more buttons in aoe than frost mages do
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Apparently so, since I consider it bad form to be 4th on the dps in a group with only 3 dps.
It’s actually been an issue of contention for Frost because we don’t much enjoy that our AoE pretty much revolves around Blizzard and then Ice Lance which makes us super weak on anything between 3 and 7 targets. The AoE talents they gave us are borked, with CmS being a loss to take because of where it is on the tree even after 100% buffs, and snowstorm being a failure. Believe me, Frost would love some more AoE buttons to push (move CmS, give PvE tree Frost Bomb etc).
And I do somewhat agree Raven, that Hunters don’t exactly have a million buttons for AoE either. In fact, I can’t really think of any spec that does which really begs the question of why Frost is still so low in the damage. The 10% buffs to Forb and Blizzard won’t make up for the fact that Sub rogues can 2-button their way to twice our damage on a pack of 5.
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Fire mage was in MDI so technically it’s in the first 3 specs. Obviously it’s different in general pugging since pugging can make your job as a fire mage difficult, but on the other hand if you get a nice tank who can organise his pulls towards your CD-s…
And regarding raid logs. This is why you do not look at all logs and draw conclusions because you will make mistakes.
What you do is look at individual bosses and look at what bosses mages good at.
Mages top on Eranog:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2587&dataset=90
Mage is in the upper house in Primal Council:
Definetely not weak.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2590&dataset=90
Sennarth, similarly a mage is in top 3.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2592&dataset=90
Dathea, middle of the pack
You cannot say we are ‘botttom 8’
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2635&dataset=90
Kurog, once again mage is in top 3
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2605&dataset=90
Now there are 3 boss where you don’t really get the full picture just by looking at logs.
Terros: Mage is bad here. However it’s a super movement heavy fight, and you can see all casters, except for warlocks, are siffering here. This feels more like a caster issue than a mage issue.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2639&dataset=90
There is Brood also:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2614&dataset=90
However you bring mage here for one reason onl: To ST the boss.
And now you can see it’s pretty good doing just that. Obviously you won’t look so good on logs since you are ST-ing and other classes just constantly on add duty here.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2614&dataset=90&metric=bossdps
The one and only boss fight I can’t really say anything is Raz:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#boss=2607&dataset=90
If you set it to boss only, it’s still not looking great. I mean Arcane is mid still… but it’s just bad. I think it’s really bad since mage can’t really do ST/AoE hybrid talents well and the fgiht is constantly switching between ST and AoE so it looks kinda bad. Though we are still super useful due to utlities like spellsteal/Ring of frost.
Also, take the fact into consedaration that this is 10.7… mythic bosses melt by now and Arcane mage had a really good advantage im the earlier tiers, where the group needed a huhe amount of priorit damage, like on Dathea adds or Raz shield. You brought Arcane mages just for these only, since they did massive priority damage no other class was capable of.
So basically we are good/okay at 7/8 and 1 where it’s not that good.
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Okay lets see.
Main M+ rotation for Frost Mage = Orb, Icy Veins/Rune bliz and icelance. 5 Spells.
Hunter = Bloodshed, Beast W, KC, BS, MS, KS, CS.
Mage 5
Hunter 7
[Ice Nova], [Shifting Power], [Cone of Cold] depending on the build and sometimes [Flurry].
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Thanks for taking the time to research and post links. Very thoughtful of you and helpful to readers.