https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/T26_Raid.html The sims show at ilvl 226 all 3 mage specs are within a 100 dps of each other on a 5 minute fight single target. People complaining right now about frost being weak need to chill out there is a thing called scaling if frost gets buffs right now they are only going to get nerfed later down the road,raid has barely been out, if you want to cry about it not being viable right off the bat play one of the other two specs or just work on being better as frost.
1 Like
how you will get 226 ilvl??? You’ll get kicked with your dps on normal Sire 
17 Likes
Since when does a sim properly show you how a boss fight will turn out? A sim, especially a patchwork is not going to show AoE or a 2 target cleave ETC. At best it’s going to show some general truths. Right now Sim says Demo is the worst spec. So is Demo the worst spec in the actual Logs? NOPE, it’s 8 spots higher than what the sim says it should be in all percentiles and even in the 90th % for Heroic.
Do you have any idea what you’re talking about and how long it will take you to get the gear in the sim? There is a LOT wrong with assuming off a sim alone. You need to look at Sims, REAL LOGS, and experts who seriously know what they are talking about with mages to have a decent clue of how they will turn out.
11 Likes
mythic+ and raiding, play around the encounter and make it work frost is viable in all raid difficulties play better.
1 Like
How many people will play with you if you’re frost or arcane?
4 Likes
Imagine using simcraft when there are real world performance metrics widely available already that dispute everything you just said.
22 Likes
The sims are there for a reason, the people who run the sims spend a lot of time and energy figuring out how much dps a class can put out what stats/talents/legendaries/covenants etc are best for a spec the numbers don’t lie. Now not every encounter is tailored to frost but frost has its strengths in funnel/cleave encounters like huntsman,stone legion, Inerva and is fairly decent on sun kings. Also the human element is a thing mistakes happen cds dont always line up perfect, you might have to deal with mechanics or you make mistakes on rotation. But like I stated earlier the sims dont lie.
1 Like
“Don’t worry guys mage is fine on this patchwork sim with an item level you won’t have for months”
Awesome thread
17 Likes
omg dude. Why I (97 parses and 196 ilvl) make less damage than dk (60parses and 188ilvl)? is it okay?
6 Likes
ok lets say we buff frost right now and then later down the road we get to where the sims are at 226ilvl and frost starts to over perform will blizz do slight tuning to tune the spec to where it should be or will the nerfs be heavy handed like in the beta?
How you will get 226ilvl?
4 Likes
I’m honestly not sure what you’re asking and too tired to read into much right now so I’ll just say, if frost ends up being overpowered I’m ok with a nerf, I don’t care to be the absolute top fotm spec, I’m fine with middling, not having a 25% gap between top and bottom specs
12 Likes
mythic+ , raids, pvp go out there and do it. Its not impossible make it work don’t just sit and whine about it. If they havn’t buffed frost by now there must be a reason, also you have two other fine specs you can play in the meantime. Its not as if playing frost mage makes it impossible to kill heroic bosses, play with your guild, make your own raids, run your own key nothing is stopping you from doing all forms of content as frost.
[quote=“Fròstburn-area-52, post:13, topic:795681”]
you have two other fine specs you can play
[/quote] Only fire is fine.
I wish I could play fire but I stuck with arcane because of my hight latency.
pugs won’t play with you if you’re a bottom dps
LOL, heres the sim for literally the best gear in game in every slot. how about instead of simming you look at
https:// www. warcraftlogs. com/zone/statistics/26#metric=dps&dataset=80&class=DPS
and then say frost is fine. lets go to the weakest class by far right now and tell them they’re fine what a jerk.
9 Likes
Please then explain why the 220 ilvl mages aren’t frost… and why only one mage is brought to any real guild for AI only? If mages were so incredibly good then people wouldn’t be stacking hunters and unholy dks. Also explain why even preheat he come out with videos saying how horrible mages are, stating “ to even be competitive frost needs like a 20% buff”
5 Likes
Ignore the troll OP. His talent tree is fire, and hasn’t progressed into SL.
4 Likes
I’m not sure if you’re trolling or simply not getting it. Frost (and arcane really) are so bad right now that they are being excluded from m+ and raiding pugs and being benched by actual guilds. Even the world first guild has stated that mages are in a bad spot right now. Saying “go get 226 IL” is meaningless when people won’t let you in groups to do so. Even if you’re allowed (read: buy a run) in a group, you’re getting hard carried.
Again, not sure if trolling here or simply clueless. Arcane is bottom 25% of dps (again) and fire is mid-pack at best. Both are quite far from “fine.”
What mage specs may or may not be at max IL on suitable fights with perfect itemization, ideal conditions and some luck doesn’t make a class/spec fine. Nor is it a way to tune/design said classes/specs.
5 Likes
I can’t imagine being as absolutely lacking critical thinking as you are.
5 Likes
This is incredibly meaningless, as these generic sims always are. Sims are good for gear compare, not for real DPS.
You’re saying “look frost will scale”. Well let’s look at the “right now” sim, the 184 sim. Oh look it shows fire only 1.5% ahead of frost on ST. Weird.
Let’s look at actual logs of ST bosses where people know what they are doing, 95th percentile.
Shriekwing Mythic: Fire 21.5% ahead of Frost
Shriekwing Heroic: Fire 34% ahead of Frost
Destroyer Mythic: Fire 9% ahead of Frost (also because there are so few Frost parses, the 95th percentile is the 100, and the 100 Fire is 40% ahead)
Destroyer Heroic: Fire 24.5% ahead of Frost
Artificer Mythic: No Frost
Artificer Heroic: Fire 21% ahead of Frost
Sludgefist Mythic: No Frost
Sludgefist Heroic: Fire 30.5% ahead of Frost
Your premise of “Frost will scale” is BS, Frost is not scaling. Frost supposedly is almost as good as Fire now when it’s incredibly far behind. When Frost is supposedly as good as Fire at 226 it will still be incredibly far behind in reality.
Uh… check Mythic Logs. Fire is doing very well.
8 Likes