Frost GCD changes!

The point is, since it now works on obliterate, it is the best runeforge for 2h frost. It will now buff all of our frost damage.

the only thing separating 2h and dw at this point is rune of the fallen crusader and perhaps slightly more natural killing machine procs. Definitely not worth losing 35% damage on obliterates though.

Obliteration is dead as a DW talent.

Which is about the same strength as FC… soooo you are giving up one buff to get another while DW still gets both.

And no, Obliteration is not dead as a DW talent.

Yeah I am 100% going razorice. I think the increased obliteration damage is meant to offset the lack of a FC runeforge.

FC works on all damage, razorice works on only frost damage. Not all of your obliterates are going to be frost damage.

Considering you have admitted that you don’t even play WoW, this seems like an idle threat

A threat against who?

Great for PvP, which I know is your thing

2H is still likely to be a bit of a meme for PvE on anything other than ST

Honestly, I have no idea why people are still hanging on to that notion, that is old thinking. The new DPS tests are showing 2h and DW neck and neck and that was prior to 2h being buffed and DW being nerfed this patch.

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You mean the buff to Might, thats all this really was.

they nerfed baseline obliterate.

go haunt another forum kelliste your crusade is over.

Not on aoe. Did you see bicepspumps update? Did you see the new build today?

Breath will continue to outperform Oblit by a wide margin in aoe, and a DW breath build will definitely outpace a 2H breath build.

For single target, 2H will be quite good.

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Yeah, they nerfed obliterate for both 2h and DW, and increased might. So its a buff to might.

yea, aka, a dw nerf

No… a might buff. DW was buffed in other ways that 2h wouldnt even look at because of Might.

Is the Frost spec just obliterate?

Ok, thats fine. But dont call it a meme spec… its a strong single target spec, less effective against multiple targets. I think it is fair to note that Bliz seems to be nerfing the idea of AOEing everything anyway. Both weapon sets/builds will have a place.

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what, the 3% buff on breath lol?

Didnt read the patch notes?

Ugh, I hate breath with every fiber of my being. The only thing I might hate more is DW.

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Woot. 10char

I went through all the spell changes on mmo champion and breath is the only one that would buff dw. the rest 2h also benefits from. we also lost a 7% overall damage buff aura apparently so it’s likely standard tuning.

the only way dw takes obliteration is as a frost scythe cleave spec but even then frost scythe would need a buff in damage to overtake avalanche.

dw obliteration is dead in this build