Frost DK buffs feb 2nd

And its posts just like the one you made that derails threads. No, I dont have any mental issues and the fact that you guys have to resort to anything close to that while your side tells people to kill themselves is really telling. When you constantly insult the other side while they are just defending their position and explaining things even though you 4 people dont understand it while others do, you guys act like Flat Earthers. Flat earthers do exactly what you guys are doing. “Here is the math that shows that mastery will be a higher gain in terms of damage” and the insults just fly, or its a complete misrepresentation of what I had said.

Its kind of funny how early on in this thread I predicted that there were still going to be complaints because that is all that you guys have ever done. I have yet to see a single positive post from you guys unless its about another class.

I also dont understand why people talk about 2 stats in pvp, but they dont actually target but one of those stats and the rest are a mix of haste, mastery and crit because “thats what the pvp vendor gear gives”. No gear from the raid that has mastery and versatility on it? No M+ to get the desirable stats either? You would have to do other content to get those stats.

Just like pve Frost Dk’s cant just do the raid to get crit and mastery, it doesnt have many of those items. You would have to mix and match each and every area of gearing to actually get the items that you would want as a frost dk. Its exactly the same for pvp, people have been saying vers and mastery, yet they only focus on vers and then have pretty low mastery levels if they are actually wanting that stat as well. They are spreading their stats too thin. Getting haste when its not really effective at all or crit that doesnt help your burst window which people have said is the most important thing. And by nature, focusing on your burst window lowers the pressure that you would do outside of the burst window just based on how KM rank 2 works.

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Because our main two secondary stats are vers/mas?. With haste following up behind that as the class starts to feel clunky if haste is neglected.

What? That’s just untrue. Every piece of gear you will want Vers on it for PvP. Good news! Every piece of gear from the PvP vendors has Vers & then another secondary stat. More good news - if you want to stack mas & haste, you can! All from the PvP Vendor. So you CAN target more than 1 of these stats.

For me, I select haste or mastery depending on what % I have in each and what my target is. Example; I’d like to hit ~10% haste, 30-31% vers & 37% mastery. I have a crit/vers chest piece that I’ll be replacing this week that’ll have the stats I’m looking for. That chest also gives me a choice between mastery or haste. The Conquest strength trinket offers crit while the honor strength trinket offers haste. If I sacrifice any piece of gear from the conquest vendor, it’ll be this only if it makes sense.

Again incorrect. Just look at my gear.

Every piece I have, came from the PvP Vendor, besides my chest piece which I’ll be replacing Today.

Besides my trinkets & the piece I’m replacing today- everything I have has Mastery or Haste. Which is exactly what you want.

I’m sure you can min/max by dabbling in mythic raid gear on top of conquest gear - but that’s not what we’re talking about.

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Uh oh

Spaghettios

EDIT: Also Neth is banking out his Conquest Points. Sheesh.

If the great vault bestows upon me a good roll & I get the chest or neck I need, I can just buy the other and I’ll be pretty much fully capped until I push duelist. fingers crossed

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May probability favors you, Neth.

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Yeah its called playing the entire game, not just doing one bit of content. If you don’t put in the work then you don’t get to do content.

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I got crap again. 2 rings and a cape. I was lucky that one of the rings was at least mastery and verse.

I got my necklace. Time to farm out the cap this week for my chest piece and we’ll be good to go!

Sorry to hear you got junk

Yeah was kinda bs. But hey i got a little over 1k conquest and the limit just reset.

Telling of what? People are tired of you slamming your head into the sand when someone calls you out on having literally zero first hand experience. Its entirely probable that you’ve done it so much that you knocked something loose. Its why nobody here takes you seriously. Get help.

Some are nicer than others about it but I personally have no tolerance for…“special” users like yourself who act like an expert but have absolutely no credentials to back it up.

You’re the kind of person to read a diagram once and then tell everyone you’re an expert mechanic. Having a grasp of the basic picture is nothing compared to first hand experience and it never will be no matter how much you play the victim and scoff literally every single time someone says you’re wrong.

You’re wrong, you’re a garbage player, you’re a manchild and you’re a troll with no life.

End.

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I can’t believe you people still engage.
Had him blocked for basically a month now.

yeah the constant derailing and stupidity got to me. no-one should take them seriously.

Im wrong? About what? Seriously, because whenever you guys say im wrong you just say “you havent played” and that is not being wrong.

In pve the only real way to fill out your frost dk with the stats that you need is through the great vault for all mythic raiders. The raid does not have the secondary stats that you want. And for those who say primary stats are king all the time, just go watch Preachs latest video which talks about this very issue and says exactly what I have said before. In simulationcraft which a pure ST readout, Frost is 40 dps away from unholy. So if you are a mythic raider, and trying to play frost, you have 4 items that you can get from the raid that benefit the spec. 4, other than the weapon, there is only 4 items that have crit and mastery on it. You also have to pvp for their best on use trinket which as a 1m cd which lines up with PoF and the rest comes from the great vault which I hope you have some good luck with that since it can take a mythic raider 10+ weeks depending on what it decides to give, to actually gear out your frost dk.

In PvP, again, you cant fully gear through pvp and get the stats that you want. There are 8 slots out of 15 that you can get for pvp which have versatility and mastery which means you have 7 slots that dont benefit you as much as having the proper secondaries. Of course you are going to get the trinkets so thats 10 slots so thats 5 slots you have to get from the raid or m+. You can get your other ring from the raid (which means you need another set of gear with the proper stats for pve). You can get 3 items from M+ and there are no boots with the secondaries that you would want.

Also, lets say I DID have a mental issue, arent you just showing yourself to be the biggest douche in the universe by attacking someone you think is “special” constantly? And no, im not the victim because you guys say im wrong, im the victim because you guys just insult people over and over and over again. It happens to other people as well. Someone says “frost pvp is good” and you 4 people jump them like you guys are a flock of seagulls and they are holding a cheeto. Just squalking all trying to be the ones to remove their speech because it gets in the way of your mentality and goals. Its a threat to what you think is fact and thats why you constantly call people trolls, special, idiots, manchild, a garbage player, to kill themselves, a DW bastard, moron, rat, physical violence and on and on and on. The victim is not the person that is saying those things and by definition would be the recipient. Thats me, thats petkick, thats anyone else that says anything that goes against what you say. You say I need help but your entire post was just 1 giant insult. Other people realize what they are doing and didnt care and knew that they would get banned for what they said and said it anyways, you however are delusional.

But go ahead and tell me how I am wrong in gearing your character. Certain specs need certain breakpoints to function, you absolutely have to have crit on a frost dk for the spec to function properly but you guys do not want to face the truth.

The hell are you talking about? Everybody knows you need crit for Frost DK. The problem is that kit is such garbage even with a “perfect” distribution of secondaries.

The fact that you don’t realize why he was highlighting that is indicative that you know nothing about this game.

To be ‘Devils Advocate’ a little here.

Kelliste is not entirely wrong.

And y’all can see I have done some normal. Some Mythic + and I have done some PvP unrated this expac too. And I can say not having the right secondaries on Frost is a major pain and choking point.

I can also say much as I love Frost. I’m staying unholy until the kit is fixed.

Because we really need it looked at.

Obliterate damage needs a buff, or unnerf.
Frost strike needs a big buff.
Might of the frozen wastes needs a bit of a rework. Say… frost damage/razorice instead of just bigger obliterate.
And KM rank 2… Maybe add some atk speed increase or better proc rate for KM?
Or swap those change between MotFW and KM2…
Something.

Icecap is not nearly competitive with Obliteration
And BoS much as I like going for 2H Breath build…
BoS needs to change. Having all our PvE Burst tied to a 2min CD and being a wet noodle outside that window does not feel good.
I want decent damage on both Trash AND Boss not having to choose to pop it on either or.

They’re talking about in context of Frost PvP. Kelliste is implying that people should build a bit of crit, and focus on mastery in Frost PvP in order for the spec to function outside of the PoF windows and not go full on vers.

I’m sure you can imagine why Frost Dk PvPers prioritize Vers/Mast above any other secondary stats, Zephyrath.

And yea… Obliterate is weak and spending RP as Frost just feels really bad.

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You don’t want every piece to be vers/mast. There is a point where you need to focus on haste (in PvP anyways) in order for the spec to continue to perform. If your goal was to have every piece of gear to be vers/mast you’ll 1) DR mastery & 2) Become very slow & clunky. You’ll find yourself not applying enough pressure during your burst window because it’s…slow & clunky.

There is a sweet spot. Nobody knows the exact % for the exact sweet spot YET, but personally it’s feeling good at 8% haste. Would like to see what 10% feels like. That & to get to 37% mastery.

With 8-10% haste, 35-37% mastery & 30% vers the spec is going to feel really good.

My point? You can absolutely gear FDK optimally strictly from PvP. Coming from someone who PvPs.

You understood what I have been saying about as well as you understood what you were reading on wowhead when the new patch notes were announced.

I have told you 6 times not that I am not implying or suggesting that people build a little bit of crit in pvp. And mastery does absolutely nothing to the spec to make it function. You have understood what I have said about as well as you understood what “Cooldown changed from 30 sec cooldown to 30 sec recharge. Charges changed from none to 1 charges.”

LMFAO. MAYBE if you actually played the game you would know that Simcraft means f— all. Actual logs are not even close to matching up to Simcraft.

Do yourself a favor since you’re not grasping why you’re wrong. Go watch Preach’s video about 9.1. He explains it pretty well.