How are they in mythic+/raid/pvp?
You can checkout current DPS spec ranking on Warcraft Logs
Mythic+ has Frost as the 7th best DPS spec
Mythic raiding has Frost as the 10th best DPS spec
For PVP like 75% of top players are Unholy, since many of Frost’s spells have brutal PVP only nerfs. Chil Streak is still extremely strong burst every 45 seconds, but requires setup and cordination.
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For m+, google mythic+ all affixes tier list. The subcreation one. Statistical analysis of +16 and higher keys consistently puts Frost DK in the top tier, which only about 3 dps specs have been consistently (fire, outlaw, frost DK).
Both frost and unholy are viable in every content.
Frost is slightly better for raiding and unholy is slightly better for M+.
Unholy is much better at pvp though.
It comes down to preference, if you like frost, play frost and you won’t regret it.
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Ran with a Unholy DK over 3k IO, Me as Frost. Frost severely out performed unholy in every manner. From Trash pulls and Boss fights. FDKs, when properly geared/Corruption will excel in all aspects.
The leader boards will shift throughout the weeks as corruption is recycled and people are figuring out proper gearing etc.
I’m just glad FDKs are doing very well in the game as a whole.
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I am unhappy about it because it took until the end of the expansion for frost to hit a point where it performs well, and even worse, due to the corruption system which won’t be present.
I’d really like DK to scale linearly, rather than needing buffs constantly or borrowed power systems.
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That’s because your tank doesn’t know how to pull around unholy
FDK, perform no matter the situations… which makes it the preferred option.
I see these posts where groups pull around a certain class, ie Fire Mages Combust, DH meta, Unholy Frenzy… moving around a dung on a 2min cd is optimal? When you have a class that performs well on 30sec, 1min or 2min or ANY time window… FDK pulls ahead on all platforms and all situations. Especially more so on Single Target.
So your statement is invalid and null.
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Will excel in all aspects? From your sample size of one unholy dk in dungeons below 20?
Tank must pull around you too?
I’m sorry.
Stop baiting.
You’re saying you did more damage as frost than unholy, all I said was your tank wasn’t pulling around an unholy, so how is my statement invalid. Oh and there’s a reason why rank one keys bring a fire mage, so saying pulling around a certain class isn’t optimal is false
If you’re talking about a pug with the UH, it’s kind of an irrelevant comment.
If you ran in his normal group, it’d likely be the other way around.
Unholy is amazing if it has a regular group and the group pulls around it.
Frost (icecap) is just good all the time, on every pull size, on every fight length, etc. It will never hit the highs or the lows of unholy, and it’s far easier to play and doesn’t need a comp built or pulling around it. The footpedal meme for frost has even been endorsed by the top m+ frost players, lol.
For the above reasons, it’s top tier, and much less frustrating in pugs where tanks aren’t pulling around UH CD’s and helping them do their 500k dps.
Some of us just like having to think more than spending 90% of the dungeon pushing frostscythe and howling blast and hitting pillar and RW on CD. Playing around with frost at the moment, don’t have the corrupt or gear for it. Consistency is nice, but holy balls is it simple by comparisson.
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unholy is much better in /2s/, not much better in pvp. frost is great in 3s.
There’s also a reason why Frost is far more common place in keys over 20.
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Yeah pull size
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Ding ding ding.
I wonder why rank ones aren’t pulling around Unholy then
And I wonder why Unholy based comps keep losing in MDI
Guess it’s just a coincidence…cause you definitely know better than the top players and the parses
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Rank ones don’t even play with a dk, and mdi top teams run triple hunter, again no dks(unholy or frost) so I don’t see how that has any reference to this conversation lol
Frost DK is the best endgame spec for us right now. It’s not just because of Icecap though. It’s both Icecap and BoS are incredibly strong right now in different ways. It will take weeks, but eventually you get two sets of gear for Frost. Both sets share expedient (so just use the gear you have on), but the BoS set has Mastery and Masterful. BoS is incredibly powerful in which it has burst windows every two minutes (for both single target and AoE) for killing priority adds or just having the ability to target a specific window or boss mechanic and boost your ST damage significantly.
For Icecap you stack Crit, Severe, and Expedient. What makes Icecap so strong is after my ramp up, I can sustain 75-80+k dps almost indefinitely as long as I can continue to attack the target and get the PoF cooldown reduction from crits. That is what makes it so incredibly powerful in M+. There is almost always something for me to hit, so going through some of my logs in M+ I’m keeping ridiculous amounts of PoF/Icy Citadel uptime, along with windows of single target burst from several seconds of overlap with PoF+Icy Citadel rolling at the same time combined with Cold Heart + BotE + ERW and hopefully a full set of runes.
All that said, that strength is entirely dependent on corruption and properly itemized high ilvl gear. In addition to that, there isn’t a lot to the rotation. Especially in M+, unless you’re fighting a boss or need priority single target damage, you’re going to press your Frostscythe button A LOT. Super spammy, and borderline boring.
Unholy has the ability to pull insane numbers in ST burst with bloodlust + Army combined with the right azerite traits. Unholy can take advantage of multiple different corruptions with expedient being my favorite; and also in varying combinations of TD or Stars, enabling jaw dropping ST burst with decent support from corruptions over time. In addition, Unholy has the highest theoretical AoE dps, and while everyone says how difficult it is to play around it, when you can play with it, the damage unholy can put out against 5-8+ mobs is ridiculous. Also, they can do it every 80 seconds for the most part. As long as you can get consistently large pulls every 1.5 mins, and wait for the DK to have a full bar of runes and their cooldowns up before a planned pull, No way does Frost keep up, except for maybe BoS for the duration that you can keep BoS up; but that’s a full 30 seconds behind Apoc + Unholy Frenzy + Soul Reaper. In addition, Unholy is just way more fun to play because of how much planning you can put into your rotation. Much less spammy and far more planned cooldown management.
Either way, I hate to say it, but as bad as a lot of BfA has been, it has left DKs in a pretty good spot as DPS. Frost especially. That’s how Frost dk is atm.