Clearly crying in forums wont buff frost mage. Main reason is i dont think any blizzard staff is reading the forums at all. Nobody plays frost mage on the balance team thats why theyre turning a blind eye on this spec.
I think it is time to make a stand and let our voices be heard. Lets flood customer support until they forward it to the relevant team.
I dont like to do this but at this point, i know that nothing will change if we stay dormant.
Blizzard likes to ignore balance changes and unless its one of the balance team’s class, chances are they wont care about the spec.
I stopped playing. Sub ends Feb 5th. They have that long to fix Frost. If they don’t I am pretty much gone for the entire expansion. (I liked to come back at the end of the xpac to experience the final raid.) I got better things to play.
World first race and then holidays means minimal tuning for like a month. We’ll likely see something soon. Blizz usually doesn’t let a class sit so far the below the rest in raid without fixing it.
And yet here you are crying in the forums about buffing frost mage.
Look, whining because YOUR favorite spec isn’t S tier is no excuse to try and abuse the customer support system where people may be looking for resolution of ACTUAL ISSUES. You need to grow up a bit on this one.
And frost has been the top spec for nearly every patch of every expansion. This time they’re not. They are enjoying bottom mid-tier like so many other classes/specs got to do over the years. Yes, frost needs some help. No, it’s no worse of than the other classes/specs have been over the years. No, you don’t need to cry on the forums about it daily. No, doing so won’t help. What will help less is abusing the customer support team.
Wait what?
Frost has been top spec for nearly every patch of every expansion? Wrong. They literally haven’t. Recency bias: BfA?
Love level 50 warrior talking crap on a mage forum and calling our spec “bottom mid-tier” again, wrong. They’re literally dead last. That doesn’t sound like bottom mid-tier to me, wondering how you are rationalizing that statement. Maybe you just aren’t very bright.
Recency bias? BfA? No. Frost has been top mage spec for nearly every patch of ever expansion. Starting with vanilla (you would’ve loved MC as fire…) That is a fact.
You’re literally posting on a level 12 orc hunter right now. I’ve been maintaining a max level warrior, shaman, rogue, mage, and hunter since vanilla and a max level DK since WotLK. The level/class that I am posting on is completely irrelevant. Maybe you just aren’t very bright though. Frost is NOT last they are mid tier. Demo warlock is last. And no, i’m not talking about pvp. I am talking about the mythic+ ratings. They’re floating between 8th and 9th trading with arcane. Out of 24 specs.
Fire is doing well for once. FFS let it shine and stop complaining about what has been one of the most consistently good specs in the entire history of the game. I know it has because I PLAYED IT. It was my AoE farming machine xpac after xpac and an easy raid slot for a dps. Frost will be fine. Threads like this hurt more than help.
This. I was stuck going frost for the past few years even though I hate it. It’s about time fire is the top dog again. It’s far and away the most fun of the 3 specs, imo of course.
There’s no reason to bring up how “Fire should be top” into this discussion. The OP is simply asking for a well deserved tuning of their favorite spec. They brought nothing up about nerfing fire.
During beta, (which I’m sure all of everyone was here for right? because I don’t recall half the names of the people posting during August-October when changes would more likely happen) I was desperately trying to get some more information about my favorite spec while the logs were suggesting that Fire was bottom tier DPS. Fire did eventually receive a buff, but before that it felt miserable, especially the interactions with spiteful mages that preferred frost or arcane. The silver lining is that I learned how to use simc, but honestly, even just asking for more viability was awful.
I think classes should be constantly tuned so nobody is left out. People should be able to play their favorite spec and be able to be within a 5% or so DPS of the top dps class/spec.
With that said, I do want to point out that popularity of the spec may be correlated with the numbers that are being posted. Fire wasn’t popular during beta, and was bottom DPS. Frost isn’t popular now (everyone is meta-gaming) and is now bottom DPS. What are the real numbers? If frost gets a slight buffed, is it going to shoot right up just because everyone is playing it just like fire did during the tail end of beta?
Simulations do suggest Frost is a few hundred DPS behind (single target), although the simulations I’m referring to cannot be used like this due to gear optimization. It gives a rough estimate, but few hundred DPS sims need to be taken with a grain of salt.
The point was brought up and discussed. This is a discussion thread not a lecture from the OP. And he is NOT “simply asking for tuning to their favorite spec”. He is whining and trying to convince people that abusing the customer support staff by erroneously flooding their queue. Delaying assistance for people that actually need help that the support team can give rather than spamming them over things that they can DO NOTHING ABOUT. And those are real people just trying to do their jobs, collect a paycheck, and feed their families. But he wants to make their lives harder for absolutely no reason or benefit. Anyone that has ever worked customer or tech support KNOWS what a dirtbag suggestion that is.
Constant tuning has caused more harm than good over the years. You seriously want every spec within 5% of one another? First we will assume that this is actually possible to do across all content as new content is coming in yet while happening rapidly enough to occur while said content is still relevant. Which is a ridiculous assumption, but assuming that, WHY would you want that? That would result in generic classes with no real potential for specialization (you know… SPECS) and differentiation. Who would want to play that? The entire focus would have to be on constantly tuning specs to be almost perfectly in line with one another rather than focusing on the game being enjoyable. And you would rapidly lose sight of any utility any spec may offer… and then you would have to try to nerf that down to keep things even. This is a vision of a very generic and bland game.
The truth is that we’ve been spoiled with our mages. If you have a top performing spec to your favorite class then rejoice that you have that choice. Mage has always been in a good spot. Not all classes have been so lucky over the years.
I am informed by empirical evidence in both the first and third person for the last 16 years. There has been scarcely a moment where it didn’t easily top both arcane and fire. This isn’t my opinion this is a fact.
5% is quite a lot of wiggle room actually. Also, class balance does not automatically mean homogenization (assuming that’s what you’re referring to when you mean bland game). Sure, it takes more work, but it comes down to constantly tuning until the numbers are just right. Internal/beta testing clearly fails since it needs to be tested by the entire population due to not being able to cover as much. The major wrench in the whole thing though is trying to cover both PVP and PVE simultaneously though.
Also, I don’t understand why we have to settle for class imbalance. Thinking things are impossible is a sure way of making them impossible, and I wouldn’t even consider this problem hard.
