I’m curious what crit without buzz runes are. These dks running?
I’ve. Gotten the best gear that’s fallen my way and I’m sitting at 20% unbuffed crit.
I get up to 30 35% with buzzes, raid buffs, and trinket activation
One of the things I despise about this choice is, I have to hunt for 1 piece of gear vs 2. With the way Blizzard has designed loot tables, and Itemization, it’s a freaking mess. 2 Handed Frost with the right haste feels more combat impactful than dual wielding. I never liked this goofy idea from the jump. Death Knights swung large weapons, Rune Blades. Two handed axes, Swords and polearms. They were terrifying and contrary to the weird opinions I’ve seen on here about class flavor, DKs were Fast. They weren’t slow juggernauts, probably one of the dumbest narrative impositions pulled out of the void of never happened and implemented into their design philosophy. Peak warriors of their craft wielding death magic. They feel anemic even with two weapons in hand. So I refuse to bend on this, 2 handers almost always if I can help it. The game desperately need more creative scythe weapons.
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Rider does not favor 2h; if anything, it still favors DW more since Breath & Shattering have more RP damage and the choice node above Apocalypse Now is entirely RP based.
And the only flex talent 2h has over DW with Rider is specifically when it’s 2h vs. Shattering DW which lets you get TLW in AoE; the rest of the talents you get are more-or-less equivalent to the Shattering sute. And even then, non-Breath non-Shattering builds sim better than 2h builds.
All the below are done pre-tier bonus using one of your guild members.
ST Rider DW (No Shattering/Breath) - 935k~
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wcHbYrqY3xedbtHzhpT46z
ST Rider 2h - 902k~
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ioBpcN8Ei7WUZReoYHJqUk
A 3.65%~ spread towards DW
ST DB DW (No Shattering/Breath) - 932k~
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ntFgRZJgBh6p3sgSwyVjR2
ST DB 2h - 895k~
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r9cJHtEGLuVYk6NPbxXtRF
A 4.13% spread towards DW.
Dungeon Slice Rider DW (No Shattering/Breath) - 1.533mil~
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6Ejq2TZEEdcuwPKz4Z5zLy
Dungeon Slice Rider 2h (No Shattering/Breath) - 1.483mil~
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8dt3AsPZe5scQScyJFJ9Yi
A 3.37% spread towards DW.
And when there’s more haste and crit, it’ll just slant towards DW more due to IDT and these are also not using the better DW builds. This is literally just the same build for both 2h and DW, which puts DW at a disadvantage, and 2h still has to make up a 3% minimum & 4% maximum spread to be equal to the worst of the 3 DW builds.
I don’t know why you have such a vested interest in pushing this “2h will pull ahead as early as season 2” narrative when there’s nothing to indicate or imply that and everything that says otherwise. DW scales better with secondary stats; getting more KM procs that can’t be used also means getting more IDT procs which are used. The “sleeper Rider 2h build” is Unholy and it’s not really sleeper.
And again, 2h Rider could possibly beat out DW in a sustained 3 target scenario, but this “Rider favors 2h more and lacks synergy with DW” is just straight up false. And 2h “pulling ahead as we get more stats” is also just false, since it was only 1%~ or so ahead (and in most cases equal or behind!) during preseason, when we already had these high-level stats that you keep saying will make 2h better than DW, a Legendary weapon that had 3-6 ilvls on DW, and a tier set that supposedly favored 2h more than DW.
I don’t know if this is some high IQ mean play that you’re doing to say “2h is fine and doesn’t need any help” so that it doesn’t get buffed and people that like 2h get to be 5% or more behind for the entire expansion, but you’re not providing any actual proof other than “trust me” while the actual existing data we have says the opposite.
Ya idk, I trust my boys, they’re parsing pink on bosses you havent seen. I trust them before I trust Acherus randos. And I trust Acherus randos over people who post here. Get somebody like Bicepspump or another dude with extreme levels of class literacy in here backing your point, and sure, maybe you can convince me to change my mind. It’s not like you’re offering anything more substancial than I am, in terms of raw proof. We’re both speculating. The difference is the level of play the sources of the speculation are coming from.
IDK why you bothered simming in current gear, when we’re talking about a hypothetical situation some 6-8 months down the line. I’m very open with admitting that 2h isn’t a competitive spec in current gear.
No it doesn’t, where does this idea come from?
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The spec is not hard to figure out and Biceps is going unholy.
And no, you are speculating, Van is taking evidence based on the performance now and the performance during pre-patch. If you are right then the better players then you and your buddies must be missing something, or you are just flat out wrong yet again.
2h only really has damage in Obliterate. Everything else is normalized in damage and that damage is better suited for DW when you take into account the native attack speed difference. 1.3 sec attack speed vs 3.6. that is almost a 3-1 difference baseline. IDT, RI stacking for Shattering and so on is in DW favor and that was shown in pre-patch where you went DW for just about anything unless you had the legendary.
If your buddies want to back up their claims then let them because you aren’t doing a good job of it. You aren’t backing anything up and it is still a DW spec after all and that SHOULD be the better option or Frost is just a noob trap.
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Begone troll.
Do you have anything of substance for anyone to read or are you just going to be salty showing everyone you are just wasting your time here?
If you only listen to your buddies or someone who isn’t playing Frost, why are you here other than your dumb little hate campaign?
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Why are there so many hidden posts in this thread? Is it haunted? 
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Talk about derailing a thread lol. Can’t even stay on topic can you
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I mean, it is filled with dead people 
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He is the theorycrafter for Frost DKs, the wowhead guide writer, and the individual that maintains the Simcraft API for Frost DK, explaining that there is already a massive gap between DW & 2h builds and that it’s actually larger than originally thought.
And you’re saying that not only will this gap (5%+) be removed but flip as early as Season 2. You can ask him (there or in Acherus) about whether he thinks that’s probable but I won’t be as I’ve already provided more than enough proof of my claims.