From a player who wasn't around in WoD, what was PvP gearing like and why are some so fond of it?

negative.

negative.

negative.

also there was no xpac-long borrowed power system which introduced an additional grind and balancing issues which are never handled

and from memory, the honor cost of a full set was closer to what’s currently a late single-tier upgrade of all your pcs

i think arena-wins-per-piece is now very similar to back then as well

There’s more to it tbh. Design was more rich and in depth for each and every class. MoP design is the sole reason why people prefer to go back to re-experience the xpac. Only DoT classes that felt much better than where they’re at now were aff locks and boomkins. Spriest weren’t as DoT-centric back then which was really cool. Their dmg was lining up abilities and more setup favored. Ele was pretty mean ig with the meatball dmg.

I agree Cata s1 and 2 were pretty enjoyable too. MoP appealed for the majority because of s14 and 15s balance and diversity (with comps and classes).

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It’s not even close. WoD was vastly superior than anything WoW has done the last 5 years. WoW is at it lowest point now and no one wants to play it for a reason. SL had the largest player drop in history. The company is in shambles. The core design philosophies and Devs are completely lost. WoD is the glory days compared to now because that is how far the game has fallen. Everything was better, WoW and the company was in a far better place during WoD.

We wish we had a game like WoD now. 9.2 won’t fix anything either because SL isn’t salvageable. It’s that bad and why we don’t play. I really do miss WoD, times were so much more fun back then.

Half a week of not being able to log on at launch

Them realizing it was an unfinished train wreck and abandoning it to work on Legion.

Literally zero non-raiding/pvp content.

Wod cratered subs so hard that they stopped using them as a metric, and announcing them altogether.

Yet SL had a larger loss. Stop ignoring the steaming pile of trash we got now compared to a vastly better game we had in WoD. No one will objectively say SL is better than WoD unless they are trying to troll. SL is the worst expansion for a plethora of reasons and it will NEVER be fixed. It’s that bad.

At least WoD was a finished game at launch. It took BFA till 8.3 to be finished and SL will never be finished because it’s an unsalvageable convoluted disaster at it’s core. The systems will never be fixed or work well.

Sorry WoD was at least fun and a had far better design than anything we got the last few years. The game was in a vastly superior state from core design to story. Not to mention the best gearing in history where we could just log on and have fun. Something that is impossible now.

Substantiate your claims.

Dude

Orcs

WoD was lowkey a top three expansion if you look into it.

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SL was the fastest selling online game in history. Why? Because people thought they were going to finally fix WoW from BFA instead Blizz scammed us, they lied. So they lost more than the typical 50% of subs in the first 3 months of SL. Then they lost another 50% of it’s playerbase in the next quarter. Which was before ALL the toxic culture at Blizz and lawsuits finally came out. This is the low point of WoW. From every statistic unless you are completely ignoring statistics.

You can’t have the fastest selling online game then arrive at the lowest active players without the biggest losses in history. Simple math my friend. ALL MMO companies decided to go to a hidden Sub metric “BECAUSE” you can control the narrative. If players think your game is dying they won’t play, if they don’t play, the game will die. So this is why that changed.

I am not making claims this is just common knowledge unless your head is in the sand. We can only wish it was WoD again the company was doing far better and the game was better to. Keep in mind less MAU now than when WoD was out and we have more titles including OW. Everything has been in rapid decline since BFA and SL is the culmination of the massive dump this company has taken on the players.

Yea I’d put in in Top 3. Just because you could just enjoy the game and do what you wanted. WoD did a lot of things perfect. Key word “Perfect”. You can’t say that about today’s expansions.

They removed scaling, nerfed tanks, tank trinkets and added PvP vendors, just like most people wanted, though?

Could the people have really been so wrong?

No they didn’t add vendors like people wanted unless you are purposely trolling. That is why it doesn’t even come close to old school gearing of WoD or earlier. Not sure if you are trying to be dense or not either way ignored.

The Devs were wrong in making the most trash expansion in history, with the worst designed systems and gearing. No one wanted this garbage and SL is so bad you can’t even be constructive about it. The only fix is to delete it and never make anything again like SL. Blizz has the model on what “NOT” to do with a game. SL is the low point and nothing can be worse. At least there is that so now most WoW players patiently wait for a time they can play WoW again. It won’t be 9.2 though.

SL has the worst PvP gearing and gaming experience in history.

WoD you are missed but not forgotten.

They did, though? The gear is also Bis in PvP, which is super nice.

What’s tragic is that they did away with the elite rank weaponry of s1.

They removed half the content they woulda had at launch and patch 6.1 because they didnt have enough time rofl.

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