Friendship with M+ Ended

[Tuwen-moon-guard]

@Boomdoggle-zuljin

What you seem to be describing here is that they actually have removed mythic+ from the game entirely, except for a tiny percentage of professional players and mythic raiders.

Dude, M+ has been out 1 week. In that one week, 2.5 million keys have been completed.

I hate M+ as the next guy, but M+ is still going strong.

[Nermans-zuljin]

Your numbers are wrong, it’s over 5 million keys

[Tuwen-moon-guard]

No, its 2.5 million, you are looking at the total characters.

So many people here don’t know how to read Raiderio data

Edit: 2.6 mil

[Nermans-zuljin]

Nah, I read it yesterday, it was 5.something vs 3.something for df week one

I didn’t get it from raider io, it was the guy who always makes the chart on competetivewow

[Tuwen-moon-guard]

The post from Reddit where the guy got it wrong?

Dude, I’m looking at Raiderio as we speak. ITS 2.6 mil keys.

Edit: Here is a post correcting the misinformation in the Reddit thread.

OP’s title is incorrect. All Run Leaderboard shows 2.3 Million tracked keys ran The 5 Million is a sample size of characters of all 2.3 Millions of those runs, since the graph is specifically related to character specs.

When you are on the page and you hover over the specs, it shows you the amount for each spec from the total sample size, averaging out at 136K each. Multiply that by 40 (total specs) and you get 5 Million character, not keys run.

[Nermans-zuljin]

I did feel like 5 million was high after the changes

[Tuwen-moon-guard]

There was a 28% drop vs season 1 DF

[Nermans-zuljin]

Which considering they cut out 9ish ranks of keys and made delves extremely lucrative it’s not really that bad

[Ynnad-old-blanchy]

@Arcaneette-burning-blade

hey should just remove m+ from the game entirely. Too toxic. Raiding and delves is all you need

Keep your bad ideas to yourself thanks

[Smiter-shadowsong]

@Haugs-area-52

Hence “I hope m+ can take the hit”.

It’s comedy.

And it sure is fun to explain it.

For what is worth, I took it as a serious comment because of the emote you used. /shrug

[Haugs-area-52]

Well, yeah. The joke is that I’m “concerned” about m+

OP says they and m+ aren’t friends any more.

I effectively say “hope m+ will be alright”

Ah well, my humor does not translate in wow GD forums. I’m at peace with that

[Arcaneette-burning-blade]

@Diabloiv-whitemane

Wait hold up.

What if we put Bran inside M+

He would be a better and more enjoyable groupmate than the majority of the m+ players.

He’s pleasant. He offers words of encouragement. He’ll even catch fish and mine ore for you.

He won’t get pissed because you died on a fight because you didn’t study a YouTube video ahead time.

He won’t try to gatekeep people out of content and then complain here that there’s nobody to play with.

Toxic m+ players: be more like Brann!

@Ynnad-old-blanchy

Keep your bad ideas to yourself thanks

My idea is sure better than the posts calling to nerf delve loot or asking to make them as miserable as high m+ dungeons.

[Greybrook-sargeras]

@Arcaneette-burning-blade

Yup. They should just remove m+ from the game entirely. Too toxic. Raiding and delves is all you need

Won’t happen overnight, but to all those who love delves, please remember that Blizzard is in the game of making money. If they get consistent feedback from enough players that they like delves and want them expanded upon, and their metrics show that delves are a popular facet of the game that sees lots of playtime… then delves will be expanded upon.

Personally, I would like to see them expanded to include lots of different environments over time. I’d love to see a delve with the aesthetic of BFA’s Tol Dagor, for instance. Think of all the cool and unique-looking single-player scenarios/delves they could cobble together with existing art assets.

[Smiter-shadowsong]

@Arcaneette-burning-blade

Toxic m+ players: be more like Brann!

I want to put that on a tee shirt.

[Sumwun-tichondrius]

Piece of advice.

Remain friends. NO NOT let him move in. Dude’s a loud… well… pretty much everything. Eats everything.

Drinks Everything.

Snores … when he’s awake watching TV.

What’s the guy got to offer? The same 4 pieces of advice.

He’s a good friend. You’ll miss that if he becomes a room mate.

[Dracarian-medivh]

Mine too and he just hit lvl 24. So excited about Delves!

[Theretrix-silvermoon]

You are blanketed in heroic and mythic raid gear. Kinda dulls the point you’re trying to make, i think.

[Furrfist-frostmourne]

I mean M+ is basically just a more hamster wheel version of MoP Challenge Modes where the entire point was the prestige rather than the endless gear loop

[Arcaneette-burning-blade]

@Greybrook-sargeras

Won’t happen overnight, but to all those who love delves, please remember that Blizzard is in the game of making money. If they get consistent feedback from enough players that they like delves and want them expanded upon, and their metrics show that delves are a popular facet of the game that sees lots of playtime… then delves will be expanded upon.

I know I’m just one person, so statistically it means pretty much nothing… But it was the idea of delves that sold me back into this game after almost 12 years off. NOT having to deal with all the crap that comes with putting together groups for the toughest content, but still getting somewhat decent rewards was the draw for me.

@Greybrook-sargeras

Personally, I would like to see them expanded to include lots of different environments over time. I’d love to see a delve with the aesthetic of BFA’s Tol Dagor, for instance. Think of all the cool and unique-looking single-player scenarios/delves they could cobble together with existing art assets.

I really hope the expand on it too and see where they can take this concept. It can only better, if they care enough.

For instance, I think it would be cool for the “story mode” version of the next raid, if it was blended with how delves work. They could make it like you’re sneaking in from an unknown tunnel or something and hopefully make the boss something where it’s not practically impossible to lose like they did with the current raid.

I’m sure there are better ideas others can come up with too.

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

I think it sharpens his point that a lot of the issues people are having will be solved with gear.

A lot of the problem aspects in M+ will get solved by more EHP and more damage.