If we get Fresh then we need to raise hell if there are #SomeChanges. The changes in BC are unacceptable. #NoChanges
2 Likes
We already have “classic+”, it’s called TBC
1 Like
Yeah, we need to go back to forcing your entire raid to be leatherworkers, and having horde paladins being ~10% better than alliance paladins, and bosses being bugged and unkillable!
#NOCHANGES
lmao
1 Like
yeah, everyone knows blizzard is just a small indie company, they can’t afford to make more than 2 or 3 games at once
L M A O
Blizzard will find a way to miss a golden opportunity here, that is the only thing I’m sure of.
2 Likes
That is not a proper assessment. TBC does a great job of building up the classes and is a great expansion. But it is just a push in the wrong direction (in our opinion) to a more rail-roaded cash shop mmo rather than an rpg like we started with.
A big reason for Classic+ is that we want to explore the old world more and finish the storylines and projects Blizzard stopped so many years ago for TBC instead.
And yes, Blizzard was totally ready to make classic+ a year ago but there were more votes on the survey for TBC. Still there were a lot of votes for classic+, but i’d wager a new survey would show a lot more people on board for Classic+, possibly more than wotlk.
3 Likes
I’m all for classic+ with two big changes
-
world buffs are removed when you enter a raid instance
-
debuff that nerfs xp by 99% in dungeons when grouped with someone 10 levels or more above you to eliminate boosters.
6 Likes
No thanks, not interested in daily grinding
Retail is on life support. The end is in sight now. Two, maybe three expansions left? The franchise is a mere shadow of what it once was and represented. Its the genre’s greatest example of how to do most things right and then do everything wrong. Blizzard killed the goose that laid the golden eggs.
That doesn’t mean WoW has to have to go the way of the dinosaur. If there’s a future for this brand then its going to be either going to be a complete reboot or some kind of fan service like a Classic +.
People can dismiss the idea if they like and I dont really blame them but its worth discussing because options are slim.
Classic + makes the most sense or at least a good place to start.
2 Likes
Blizzard killed the goose that laid the golden egg because they lost all of their original developers and designers. Those employees had the vision of what an MMO should be, and what classic became. Once the original game designers and devs were gone the game became progressively worse with each x-pac… until the Activision acquisition…at which point it became laughable.
I don’t think the Blizzard of today can do a classic + without completely messing it up.
No new anything.
Classic+ needs to be 3x exp. 3x rep gain.
That’s literally it.
1 Like
These are the only acceptable changes and thats only because they are changes that will somehow make the game feel less changed.
Im definitely game for fresh start but 3x is too much. Maybe 3x rep but more like a scaling xp rate from .5x to 2x.
Then quickly followed by classic+ 
I would support Classic+ As long as it was done right.
The only changes I would be for would be adding power to classes and buffing raids/dungeons.
This will be played for years and years, especially since it wont go to TBC.
No player nerfs whatsoever. NONE. Just buff Hunter PvE and possibly some of the meme spec’s.
Removing world buffs would be amazing! Buffing raids and dungeons would be amazing. Again, these will be played for years. Of course theres a difference between dificult and frustrating.
Being able to hop into a gdkp whenever I wanted to was something I really enjoyed, but I dont really believe this was original design intent.
Last but not least, new content… this one’s kinda tricky, because of power creep. Technically it would be a good thing if more 5 man dungeons and raids were released, but keep the iL the same, just add interesting and fun looking items.
Basically more like Thekals claws, items that have amazing and fun procs.
It really really really needs to stay in line with the theme and storyline of vanilla though.
1 Like
This is ultimately what Im afraid of. Those old game designers are gone.
How can this newer generation that gave us modern retail improve upon vanilla?
Hubris is a real thing.
Just look at the majority of new games that come out? Most of them are instant gratification and completely devoid of a lot of those RPG aspects that OG gamers fell in love with.
Theres no true innovation, and if there is, its “safe” to make money, but they usually fail.
Just different times.
2 Likes
The replay value would be incredible.
I would prefer the new raids to have better gear and more tier sets. Most of the power creep could be controlled through nothing but gear stats on subsequent gear tiers, especially since we know exactly how it would pan out.
I don’t want to invalidate the other dungeons and raids where people just skip over them and do new stuff only. They should have specific requirements that make it so players must progress through other raids before they can continue on to the next tiers. No timegating crap though, all progression gates.
I honestly don’t think it would be nearly as difficult to create content in classic as it is in retail. So many less systems and mechanics to worry about. The stories are also already laid out in most cases.
With that character and the content you type I think you should consider investing in some proper education.
Without classic players, do you even think they will have enough resources to develop retail?
If one large group of the players contribute significantly to the income of the legacy version of the game it naturally should mean that resources should be spent to develop the legacy version.
1 Like
This would require Blizzard employ staff they do not possess and are also unwilling to pay for.
actual game designers.
1 Like
Well to be honest, when you look at the current stale state of games from these “game designers”? I mean everyone is just rehashing old games because they lack the ability to conceptualize anything worth a damn.
Yeah, let’s just keep vanilla vanilla. I have no faith in them I guess, but their own track record sprals for itself.
1 Like
no i dont care if pepole do alot of level , i do funs my self , dont need pepole be baby level take my mob away of me