Is it odd that all the potential leaders for the forsaken just make me feel sick? Especially Calia, I don’t know why I just hate her. But on topic, by all means bring Arthas in front of all the forsaken so they can beat him to a bloody pulp.
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She would make more sense as part of a council. But she’s lived and dealt with an experience that many forsaken have had to come to terms with, and is a prominent lore figure throughout a number of quest lines focused on the Forsaken, their plight, and threats they specifically face.
As a sole leader, I don’t think she’d be good. But then, a council where the Forsaken are more or less leading themselves fits their theme better and helps prove to others that the forsaken do not need any sort of “hero” or “savior”.
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This is the part that peeves me the most really.
Why on earth are they welcoming the princess who abandoned them for so long with open arms? They are bitter, that’s something that’s been a major Forsaken thing, but they’re not bitter about her?
It’s worse than when they didn’t exploit their bitterness when the whole thing with Gilneas took place, but this time is not just something that could have been added to spice things up, this is a position of leadership.
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It’s an unfortunate side effect of the way the story just got wrapped up so tightly around Sylvanas, I think. Voss seems out of place because…she is. She wasn’t even a proper forsaken (faction) until it suddenly happened off-screen as an excuse to cram her in. Garona, and to a lesser extent Rexxar, had this issue too. Other forsaken characters just never became recurring enough to matter, except Belmont I suppose. But I imagine his inclusion in the Darkshore warfront (and the whole nixed death camp thing with him) might have ruined him.
As a friend put it, Calia was introduced to fix a problem that was created purely for her to solve. The whole thing in Before The Storm about forsaken not being allowed to remember their past lives, book burning, etc. was retconned to make Sylvanas even worse and Calia better for sympathizing with them.
Arthas: bad - he killed our king and made every one of us undead!
Arthas: good - without him there would be no Forsaken.
I wouldn’t accept him as my king, but I would have lunch with him - as long as it was someone I didn’t know…
I’m not a huge fan of Voss either, but if she was part of a council, I’d be ok with her. At least they had her taking part in the Horde campaign during BFA, and that’s more than what Calia has going for her.
Her status in the wiki appears as “Alive” and, unlike Forsaken, she sent her spirit to the Shadow Re- I mean, the Void and they set up the Cult of the Forgotten Shadows to bring her back…
Man, each time I remember I just get so very annoyed that it’s been reduced to that.
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Yeah I don’t hate Voss, I just don’t agree with her leading the Forsaken just because she’s the only Forsaken Blizzard cares about.
And like someone pointed out, she’s not really a proper Forsaken.
p.s. And as for Alonsus leading? Oh hell no.
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Oh absolutely, I’m 100% with you on this one. I could stomach him a little better than Calia, and that’s to say it wouldn’t be by much, but he better stick to his priesty duties and stay put so he doesn’t mess up again.
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Dumass is the most capable forsaken leader. Put dumass in charge 
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They could have at least clarified that she was undead. Since, yes, being murdered and then being brought back means you are undead.
I expected more out of that arc as a Shadow Priest.
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That’s not what happened though. She knew her life was in danger and made a spell to send her soul into the Void. That’s far different than being raised from the dead and having your soul affixed to your lifeless body with necromancy.
She can be “fixed”, the Forsaken cannot.
Forsaken leader choices are so bad lol, you have a choice of either having your entire race becoming puppets of a light-lady and her naruu friend or being stuck with the only undead character blizz seems to somewhat care about which is Lillian.
She did send her spirit into the void (which I hate because the Cult should be led by a Forsaken)
At least she kept things neutral.
(Please Blizz, keep Cult neutral, don’t hurt my Shadow Priest heart more)
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There are times I feel like half the lore team is hell bent on just getting the Forsaken out of the game. It must be awfully tempting, since they have such radically different motivations than every other race. If the Forsaken just WEREN’T playable, if there weren’t ANY clearly evil, undead playable characters out there, wouldn’t that just make it so much EASIER to write quests?
I know they wouldn’t actually do that, of course, and I’m sure there are writers who absolutely adore getting to write for “bad guys” like us. But you have to admit, no other race seems to cause as much of an internal conflict as the Forsaken. I wonder if, down the line, Mechagnomes are going to cause similar problems. “Why would a literal cyborg be worried about ______ ?” “They just are, patch it in and go.”
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I think that whether or not she is alive, the main issue is that now, instead of being a religion for the Forsaken to find balance and cope with undeath, it literally became an actual cult after the teachings of a single person.
This might be my personal bias speaking here, but while I love the lore of plenty of races, I feel Forsaken could be, easily, the most rich in complexity if handled well.
But that’s the thing, that’s not easy. We had a good glimpse at that prior to WotLK, but, with their revenge achieved, they were put in a bad spot and the easy path was to make them full blown villians. But now, that won’t do, so the only solution it’s to severely water them down.
It’s amazing what lazy writing can accomplish.
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No, my forsaken alt says NOOOOOOO. She’d rather someone else step in as leader.
Id follow Nazgrim as leader. Give Arthas to alliance and kill a few of their people off.
I can only keep agreeing with every word you type.
I think it really speaks to how the “vision” of WoW has changed over the years. The Forsaken were, essentially, playable villains. We started out at neutral rep with the rest of the Horde, we were mechanically, in-game untrustworthy. It was a bold step that has never, ever been followed up in any way.
At every turn, whenever there’s the slightest chance of making the Forsaken have just a little bit more depth than “Horde Member #49827348”, they always step back. Wouldn’t be fair, y’see. Plus some people make NICE Forsaken characters, gotta keep everyone happy. Or at least equally unhappy. And what about the Alliance, they don’t have anyone evil at all. Not even the bloodthirsty rampaging worgen are presented as bloodthirsty or rampaging past their starting zone.
It’s like they WANT to give us “bad guy” options, they just don’t want us to actually TAKE them.
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I liked how Forsaken used to be.
You had the crazy types with hate for everything living, you had the ones that looked back with fodness and trying to move forward, you had the quirky types that would bring forth the dark humor (one of my favorites is this one apothecary in Dragonblight who accidently kills her assistant). There was so much variety, so much to like and even dislike or tolerate, it caused different levels of emotions if you let yourself get immersed… it was a goldmine of potential.
But then they turned them into Sylvanas’ mindless “shield”, completely killing the entire premise of truly free willed undead and elimitating the contrast that was so evident with Putress’ rebellion.
And now, they’re going to fully defang them because they’ve become too dangerous.
All I can say about it is…
Cries in gutterspeak
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Ugh, 30 more minutes before I can give you upvotes.
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