Forsaken retake Undercity, Gilneans retake Gilneas, and Night Elves... get exiled from their homeland

I wasn’t talking about Hyjal the zone but instead Cenarius and Wild Gods. Cenarius was always framed as a friend and defender of Night Elves but from that momento on everytime Orcs attacked and defiled our lands he was nowhere to be seen.

We knew about it since vanilla and during Legion in the Emerald Nightmare raid, after defeating Xavius you see all the bosses you killed, standing peacefully in the Emerald Dream. You even see Ursoc there!

What was wrong with Elune during Shadowlands is that she was made to look bipolar. She empowers Tyrande so she can kill Sylvanas and when she was ready to kill her, removes her powers. And then turned them on again so Tyrande is in danger of dying but without achieving her goals. And after learning of the souls in the Maw she just went “I’m sad” instead of trying to do something. Blizzard wrote Elune horribly.

Perhaps you don’t but many keep saying the Night Elf story has been a masterpiece. 10/10! So any hint of disatisfaction from fans is met with mockery.

An island on Kalimdor.

I like Amirdrassil.

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Well, I mean…

He was kinda dead the next time orcs attacked “your” lands. He got revived late into Hyjal, which would take place after Ashenvale and Darkshore.

And this does not make him or the other wild gods “lost to neutrality” at all. This is a non-argument completely.

We were told about it. Big difference.

Ok, and? Like, buddy. Nobody said this isn’t as retcon!! It’s just not the massive slap in the face to nelf fans you’re trying to make it out to be.

No. Not even a little. And you can kindly not make light of bipolar diagnoses by overexaggerating things any time now.

Y’know what?

Yes.

If you remove all context and everything around those cutscenes and only focus on the videos you can watch on YouTube, sure.

But if you cared about night elves and did those quests, you’d know that Elune did not “turn it off and back on again” with Tyrande’s power, because it doesn’t work like that. TRyrande got weakened because she was about to die from the night warrior powers which, once more, is exactly what you’d expect to happen from a ritual described as fatal right from the very beginning. When she wasn’t about to die from overdoing it again, her powers came back. That’s not on Elune; that’s Tyrande not dying.

Elune did not just say “I’m sad”, and you’re being dishonest here. I’m done wasting typing time on blatant and poor dishonesty.

So?

First, “many” is not a number worth discussing, because it’s a false quantity. I’ve not seen a single person say that, except to obviously troll someone talking about how horrible every single thing about night elves has been and coming up with some real shoe-on-head explainations for those horrible things.

Yeah, I’d probably tell someone like that the nelf story is a masterclass in storytelling, just to be as insane as they are.

If you don’t want to be trolled with 10/10 masterwork comments, don’t start trolling by saying “Cata sucked for night elves, because Cenarius is neutral now, even though he clearly isn’t”.

Off the coast of Kalimdor. Not on Kalimdor. We can go full nitpicky.

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The direction that this conversation is taking shows exactly why people can feel frustrated with the Night Elf community. There is just too much entitled nitpicking going on here.

We are talking about one of the most overexposed races in the game. And due to that overexposure they have received both good and bad story content. Most people will agree that the War of Thorns was a narrative mistake. But all this other stuff reminds me of some spoiled rich kid complaining that their Ferrari is the wrong color.

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Man this sort of thing is why I feel like I am always treading water to be taken seriously.

I’m a nice elf, I swear.

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Was it ever confirmed somewhere that Elune randomly turned Tyrande off for a bit? I thought she was just dying.

I cannot recall a single time when you conflated reasonable complaints (which again, there are many to be named) with unreasonable ones, so don’t you worry.

As a side note, I honestly think there’s a little bit of hivemind going on, where a handful of nelf posters make some overexaggerated claim, and it gets passed around among the sub-sect of night elf fandom who claim it, all without any critical though. It fits what was already upsetting them, so it gets added to the greivance pile.

I do not think Nightlighter is being unreasonable or anything. I think part of this is distance bias, part is the commonly shared myth, and part is real frustration.

We all can understand that when you’re frustrated with a thing and someone provides you more reasons to be frustrated with that thing, it’s easy to just add that to the frustration pile sight unseen, especially in the wake of some big cause for frustration (Teldrassil in this case).

I do not think this is a case of a disingenuous person, just a rehashing of disingenuous arguments taken at face value.

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Funny how you just do happen to be apart of those super smart and charming blood elves. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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Wasted potential not to have an all elven faction!

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It would just never work.

Blood elves and void elves would get along fine, once Lor’themar remembered we do have shadow priests, and none of them ever broke the Sunwell, so maybe this was all a conspiracy. Night elves would make us into druids, and that would be splendid.

But then there’s the ugly step-kid elf race we’d all have to find a way to deal with.

We’d need to find a solution to the Nightborne problem.

And I do not think we ever could.

Well, I mean, obviously I would pick the most superior race that best fit my personality.

Charming? Check!
Super smart? Check!
Remembering the Sunwell? Check, most of the time!!
Believes the reckoning IS at hand? Triple check!!
Willing to betray my faction every single time they do Big Evil? I mean, there’s a reason I was Saurfang’s first recruit.

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I’m not trying to point fingers at anyone in particular when I say this, but it feels like there’s a subset of night elf players who will unironically complain about “human potential” while looking at it and think “Yeah, I want that.”

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Honestly? I truly believe it’s a bit too complicated to put off to something that simple.

The fact is, when Blizzard turns their wicked eye upon a race, it’s 60/40 whether their hand is carrying a club or flowers. The best depicted race without any major gripes about their writing is what? The vulpira? Because literally it’s Vol’dun, their recruitment and that’s it, the end.

The more Blizzard gazes upon you, the more negativity you’ll have thrown your way. Cata did have nelf lands flooded with us filthy Horde, did have some previously long-standing night elf encampments overrun in Ashenvale, did “lose” Azshara, so it’s much easier for nelf fans to see those hits made on them and ignore the flowers of Hyjal and the wild gods, Malfurion’s return and getting a trip to the Well of Eternity to see some of their history.

So on and so forth, I’m not gonna go through the list because I’m very busy not leveling my voidy rogue. Point being, Blizzard hits races with the bat for conflict more often than giving them the flowers to make up for the clubbing.

It’s what stories do, so that makes sense. But MMOs demand more player participation than a book. I’m not reading about how once again, my orc warrior is just gonna go mass-eliminate some enemies who were my allies last week; I’m doing quests to do that eliminating, all because once again, some charismatic warchief told me to do it. I’m not reading about my favorite race, whose past crimes were caused by demonic blood infusions, proving to the world that I was actually a savage killer all along; I’m acting that thing out, and it’s going to bring a heavier emotional investment for it.

It’s why it’s easier to focus on that negative. Being forced by game mechanics to murder civilians doesn’t go away just because Thrall reluctantly came back and Saurfang died for our sins.

So when you’re the most overexposed race not named humans, and you’re getting that 60 bad/40 good split, it’s hard not to feel the bad and twist the good.

I don’t blame night elf players for doing that. I just wish they could see past the parts their emotions twisted into being bad and see them for what they actually are.

It’s why I keep saying things like “I really don’t wanna go into this hard-handed”, because at the end of the day? If I loved purple and blue as much as I do red and gold, I’d be a night elf and I cannot say I’d feel any differently than they do.

I just hope that when I would inevitably be ranting about how unfair this all has been, and we never get the good stuff, someone would take my hand and try to help me see the good stuff that really is there.

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Let them be Druids, too. Then they could hide their hideous player rigging.

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But Amadis, we both know that Nightborne would never do that. They’re too vain. Sure, they’d be all bouncing around as bears and cats and laser chickens. But as soon as they see a group of the three sexiest races in the game chatting, they’d want to join in.

And they would want us to see them as they truly are.

No illusion can hide their weird faces and frames and posture.

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Barbershops need to pick up their Nightborne reconstructive surgery degrees so the Nightborne can at the very least learn to spin while jumping like proper Elves.

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The devs have said this is their MO since at least Cata. We are a “hero factory”

In truth, a historical account of the Warcraft universe reads like a war crimes trial. Empires topple, leaders are corrupted, populations are massacred, entire civilizations fall to ruin (often at their peak of power)… Warcraft is a dark place. Just ask the Draenei: We trashed their homeworld and tortured its last uncorrupted children for tens of thousands of years. We’re downright cruel. I’ve never met a more sadistic team of story folk.

Suffering is the gasoline that drives our story engine. Why is that?

It’s an unfair world that cries out for heroes. To bring order out of chaos and justice to the downtrodden is the hero’s call. Is it any wonder that Azeroth is an unfair place? It’s monstrously unfair. And it’s going to stay that way.

It’s going to get worse before it gets better. A lot worse. But that’s a good thing. It means we’re going to need a lot more heroes to bring justice to an unjust world. We’re going to need you to step up and reshape the world.

Just don’t expect a Happily Ever After. We just don’t do those here.

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Kosak no longer works for Blizzard, at least.

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Does it mean the philosophy has changed? This is literally every Blizzard story from Starcraft to Overwatch.

Massively “unfair” stuff happens and you need heroes to fight the darkness and hopefully make the world better.

Amirdrassil seems happily ever after so far. At least once Malfurion comes back.

Assuming Amirdrassil doesn’t suddenly sprout Void corruption and there’s another patch of Night Elf content in The War Within. The majority of people would be so happy about that. [/sarcasm]

Except it isn’t truly happily ever after is it? Sure we won but this did what Iridikron meant for it to do, distract us while he and knife wife prepare for a new end of the world scenario/bring back the titans to do who knows what to the world.

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So help me, if Blizzard goes ahead and does that? I will throw every ounce of support I have within me behind every single night elf pleyer complaint, no matter how weird or petty or wrong it might be.

Blizzard should delete the Horde because their continued existence is a blight against the kaldorie? Yup, agreed, where do I sign this petition!!

They better not do that, and if they do, I blame you for giving them the idea.

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