Forgot About DRE

Deeply Rooted Elements has been a problem talent throughout Dragonflight. With the changes to Shaman being announced today, DRE is missing. While Stormbringer should fix the “Stormstrike > Spenders” problem that DRE created, the base talent is still problematic.

Can we get an overhaul on DRE / Ascendance for Enhancement?

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DRE needs to be reworked into a stacking buff that empowers your next Ascendance instead of randomly activating it at the worst times possible.

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Nowadays, everybody wanna talk like they got somethin’ to say

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Round of applause for that title, OP! :laughing:

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Everyone has opinions bud. It sucks not having yours heard, especially when you disagree with everyone whose vocal.

For enhance, the concept of DRE is fun. Mainly because classic enhance had RNG as a core identity, with those big windfuries. Ultimately, Stormflurry and DRE keep those themes, which is why people like them. What would be really nice is if there were more exciting lotteries and less “oh no… I need a proc or my damage will be very low…”

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I mean, the issues with DRE are three-fold.

First, the pure RNG element of it is frustrating more than fun. It’s possible to have a mechanic that isn’t pure RNG lottery and maintains the feel of current DRE without having the possibility of a 7 minute drought through a whole combat. Or constantly proccing it when combat ends and getting 0 value out of it.

Second, the RNG is based on your builder, not your spenders. This has led to the major issue with the Storm Build in DF (I am a major proponent of this build), where Stormstrike has been more important than anything else at all in order to fish for DRE procs. This is not healthy gameplay. While the introduction of Tempest has pushed spenders over Stormstrike, the baseline gameplay really needs to be changed. The more we hit finishers, the less uptime on a major CD we get? It’s basically punishing you for playing correctly.

Third, Ascendance is not competitive with DRE. This is predominantly due to the outrageously long CD on it.

Realistically, they need to change it to a no-duration stacking buff when you use spenders where, after gaining X stacks, your next Stormstrike becomes Windstrike and puts you into Ascendance, while also reducing the CD of non-DRE Ascendance drastically to compete.

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Can we get an overhaul for DRE/Ascendance for Elemental too?

DRE already feels like it doesn’t proc enough, but for Elemental it determines whether or not you have to refresh your Flame Shock in multi-target. Enhance doesn’t have this problem and Ascendance is, I think, mainly used for single target. When ele doesn’t proc DRE in multi-target you need 2-4 globals of just applying flame shock compared to enhancement just hitting lava lash which you would do anyway instead of applying flame shock mid-combat.

When I played enhance it felt like the DRE procs were even less than ele.

Is there any build that enhance actually uses the Ascendance button, because Elemental doesn’t ever take that in any PvE build.

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I’m wondering if they will with the 25% haste increase.

The title of this thread is also the title of a song. The person you quoted was just saying a line from the chorus of the song. He/she/it was not making fun of anybody.

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Thanks for stating that! I just realized they were replying to me :joy:

Yeah, just quoting the song. Has absolutely nothing to do with the content of the post. lol

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They should just get rid of the RNG and make DRE reduce the CD of Ascendance similar to how Witch Doctors Wolf Bones works with Feral Spirits.

Thanks fam… Later that night after I responded my friends were singing karaoke and I heard that line and some puzzle pieces started shifted :face_in_clouds:

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Tying it to the spender with increased proc rate would feel significantly better as it makes a high even higher and allows anticipation for activation. You get a moment after each lb to consider if it will activate, if yes react accordingly, if no build to the next finisher.
Also lightning bolt being a ranged skill potentially activating a buff that makes melee ranged would open some utility too. Minor but nice

This way if it procs at a bad time its on you not the rng devils.

Maybe do what they did with ele and make the active a separate talent so you get both?