Covenant abilities are understandably the hot topic right now, but please never stop demanding that this garbage loot trading change be reverted.
Blizz even took forced personal loot step further in SL by making m+15 end of dungeon loot just THREE item levels lower than heroic raid gear presumably for the sole reason that they don’t want you to be able to trade heroic gear after farming m+.
Let’s be clear about the arguments against master loot:
“I just want my loot to be my loot”
“Slower gear progression is more fun”
“Guilds have corrupt loot councils”
NO ONE is forcing you to be in a guild that uses master loot in the first place, and if you willingly stay in guilds that distribute loot with GM/Officer/etc favoritism that’s entirely your fault. Have some self-respect and leave instead of expecting mommy Blizzard to fix it for you. Thousands if not millions of people did their due diligence and found a home in guilds where master loot WASN’T abused so it’s clearly feasible.
I’d argue that personal loot councils feel far worse than master loot ever did because now you’re trading away items that are in your bags. Currently, the decision can be about whether or not to take an item from you. With master loot the decision was always about whether or not to give an item to you.
Do you have a hack or exploit that allows you to turn everybody’s personal loot back into master loot to dispense according to your whim or fancy?
How about not bringing up stupid obsolete arguments like “don’t join a guild that uses master loot”. You sound like you haven’t played the game in years and have no firsthand knowledge about how anything works.
Nope. Your entire post is based on “don’t join a guild that uses master loot”, which makes it clear you got your info from someone who didn’t know what they were talking about. It’s been literally years since master loot was a thing.
Feel free to rewrite your post so it’s relevant to the current situation.
Yikes your comprehension is bad. The argument is about what people who dislike master loot could do IF it was brought back. IF that were to happen THEN don’t join a guild that uses master loot. Understand now?
I fully understood OP and agree with him in principle 100%. His post was clear.
Somebody already said above that free trade is the real issue now, and I agree.
They’re never going to give us ML back, which is a shame, but the biggest evil now is having to scrap or D/E something because it won’t let us trade it to fellow raid members. We’re far more likely to prevail upon Blizzard to remove the ilvl trade restriction.
If that is what I meant, then that is what I would have said. It is not, so I didn’t.
I never said ML was perfect. What I said was that I hate:
Allowing me to trade a piece of gear to a raid member is not the same as giving one guy at the top the ability to refuse me rolls on that piece of gear.
Not the same thing at all, and the overwrought comparison is extremely extra.
We’ve discussed this in at least two other topics before and concluded that a very good solution is to just remove ilvl restrictions and to hide loot notifications.
Hiding loot notification solves all PUG related issues since nobody will know whether or not you received loot. It doesn’t entirely fix guild related issues, but if the guild’s loot policy is terrible, it’s on everyone in the guild to just leave it.
Why people stay in a guild they don’t trust with people who are unkind, selfish, or authoritative is beyond my comprehension. I’ve never been in a guild where this was an issue, and if I were, I’d leave it the first time it happened.
Also, I forgot to mention that, at least with personal loot, you get to leave with the loot where as with master loot the guild still gets to keep the loot. It’s a lose-lose for any guild that tries to scam new members out of their loot.
the current system is NOT fine. my guild brought my lock into heroic Nyalotha when she was undergeared for it because they wanted cookies and closet… I happened to have a 370 staff. a guild mate had a staff drop that would have been a great improvement. but they were sporting a dagger and off hand. the system will not let you trade gear if you do not have a piece of gear of that type at or above the ilvl of the piece you just looted. my guild mate was unable to trade it to me or anyone else because of this system. it was either sold, DE’d, or scrapped so it wouldn’t take up space in his bags or bank.
It’s still a good example of what the problem is. What’s arbitrary is the person that won the loot not having a high ilvl staff in their bags to make the staff that dropped tradeable.