For the sake of sanity, make account wide essence unlocks

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The title is exactly what I mean.

It’s clear you have a system in place where a character needs to have an achievement account wide to get certain perks or progress some quest lines. That’s good.

What needs to happen, and I mean this is a desperate necessity to save the patch:

You NEED to make all gated essences have account wide flags that enable the ranks to be purchased account wide. What I mean is: My main has almost got Nautical Battlefield Training unlocked. A few more days and getting lucky with traders is gonna get my warrior her rank 3 essence.

I still have my Mage, Warlock, Rogue, all needing to get at least rank 2 unlocked. And that’s not easy considering the required luck for Murloc trading to get things done quickly.

If I have Nautical Battlefield Training unlocked on my account, ALL of my alts should be entitled to likewise purchase the upgraded ranks of those essences for manapearls. The same goes for the PvP honor achievements. I am not saying “GIVE US ACCOUNT WIDE ESSENCES” I am saying “Give us account wide UNLOCK for PURCHASE of essences.” Blood of the Enemy still needs you to burn 25 marks of honor to buy it. It just means you’re not sitting in PvP instances for literally weeks farming out 150k+ honor across multiple characters that benefit from the rank 2 passive or use it for main essence slot.

Obviously the ones we need to grind for and raid for, we need to grind for and raid for.

I’m sad that I need to go grind out my entire 12 character alt list for the mythic islands, because it also means doing all the war campaign quests across all of my alts so I can unlock them for doing the mission table to get my Worldveins to rank 2/3 across them all.

Please make this game NOT suffering for those of us who are either A) Altoholics or B) wanting to swap mains because we’re unhappy with classes, or just want a break from playing the same class all the time. There is nothing lost by making the already unlocked achievements apply to all characters: It only serves to gain back some love from the playerbase to alleviate all this grinding we’re being shoehorned into doing.

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Why should your alts get special treatment. They are another character in the world. Yes it makes it crappy for alts this xpack, but that doesn’t mean they should just get an easy ride. They are not a part of your mains journey… they have their own journey to have.

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Because of the fact that I’m not planning on doing raids on my alts, so I’m not burning pearls on them for socketed BIS benthic gear, which I’ve gone through about 200 pearls on my main trying to get socketed boots and a belt.

This isn’t getting special treatment for alts. While having an Exalted achievement should give your entire bank of characters full access to the stocks of various faction stores (albeit NOT at discounted prices) that’s not going to ever happen even though again, it would be a GREAT SHOW OF LOVE TO THE PLAYERS that I can keep my main as my main and not smash my face on the grind through multiple characters just because a new patch sims a new essence as a BiS and then suddenly all the PvP I did was useless. Or all the rep grind did nothing because there’s never a good item that Engineers can make. Or any number of reasons that the QOL of the player should be prioritized over “But we need you to spend at least X hours playing to unlock things that are vital for your continued existence within the game, on every character. Because f- you pay me, player. It doesn’t matter that we have your sub money already.”

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I have 15 120s and I see no need for this. Almost every class/spec I have looked at so far for my characters have different ‘desirable’ essenses. There is no need for every character to have all essences that aren’t as good.

These are contradictions.

If you aren’t going to raid on them what the heck do you need bis essences for anyway - they certainly aren’t vital.

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Because not everyone gets to “main” a certain class throughout all aspects of the game and some specs truly struggle with certain areas of content.

Situation One:

While I main a Prot Warrior in Mythics+, Islands and Raids, my two friends play a mage and a rogue. When we wish to PvP, I log onto my Priest so we can have a competetive comp.

All the work, time, gear, and unlocks I get on my Prot Warrior do not carry over to my Priest while everything they do on their classes does. I effectively need to play twice as much of them to enjoy only 1 aspect of the game on an equal footing.

This is a competitive environment, I should not be put at a disadvantage nor be putting my teammates at one simply because I must switch classes to play with them. Gear alone, along with Azerite neck levels, is enough of a disadvantage already, essences should not be one.

Situation Two:

I am a Holy Priest who wishes to gain access to the Rep reward essences. I must grind out all dailies on my priest to reach revered. While I spend 25+ seconds spamming smite to kill one add, a DH flys in grabs 15 mobs and AoEs them down in 10 seconds.

Some people with certain classes and specs, mainly healers, would benefit greatly if essences carried over so that “solo” content could be done by alts who are more solo friendly, such as Hunters or DHs. I would much rather farm dailies on my Hunter than my disc priest.

Situation Three:

I main a Prot Warrior in my raid and my best friend is the off tank Demon Hunter, we have 3 other friends who play hunter, rogue and DK. In Mythic+ dunegons our roles are not compatible to successfully complete a dungeon because we lack a class that can play a healer. The role just is not an option.

To accomplish a mythic+ dungeon, one of us chooses to play an alt Healer. Again, while 4 of us gain the benefit of Azerite essences, Azerite power and gear for our “mains.” There is always one person who is left out.

Again, the fact that gear and AP is not being acquired on these occasions is “punishment” enough, essences do not have to be.

Situation Four:

I play Alliance to raid, however, I have friends who competitively play PvP on Horde. They ask me to play with them, but having committed to an Alliance guild to raid, I do not have the time to unlock all essences on my Horde character.

Again, the gear, azerite powers, and whatever else is a big enough “punishment” for being an alt.

I am less likely to play with my friends, because it doesn’t directly benefit my main. I am mad at the system for overly punishing my alt because certain content requires certain specs and comps. Finally, I am not playing the class/spec I want to play in the content that suits me best.

Additionally, I am burnt out faster on the content because I am farming dailies on 4 characters to stay relevant instead of doing the content I actually want to be doing.

Gear and Azerite Power Levels are more than enough to factor a “main” from an “alt.” Essences should not be one of these factors and should be account bound, a lesson that should have been learned from Artifacts in Legion.

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Not trying to sound like an a**hat but I think you missed the part where I said

and then the next part where I said

Literally every instance you provided is you trying to justify your ALT having the same journey as your main; and because of insert instance you cant use your main so you feel like you should just be able to jump on an alt and just continue where your main left off so you can go play with your friends. Sorry dawg but I just think that’s wrong. I’m not saying its not screwed up but that’s the way it is.

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This is the main issue IMHO.

If you want to get Lucid Dream across multiple characters… That’s effectively 20-40 minutes of dedicated “I am doing follower dailies and maybe shard hopping for Murloco” per character. And then also doing WQ for those alts that need rep for whatever faction.

And then farming mechagon parts for those essences, maybe? IF you’re a balance druid and want the double ion cannon.

Edit: With regards to an ‘alts’ journey They have their own things they need to due, sure. If I am not putting the legwork in on my main, I’m doing it on an alt.

The difference is, my main has already done half the things they need, because my alts really only worry about the gear, not the grind. They shouldn’t be requiring us to repeat an entire patch of content that we already know in and out just to do the same stuff over again. That’s why they have made several things account wide. That’s why in Legion we could farm tons of resources on a main account, and buy the artifact research books to boost our alt.

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So are you claiming the same essenses are best for both your warrior and your priest ? If they aren’t then earn the best one on your warrior and earn the best one for your priest on your priest.

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Want your gear to be account wide too? Essences is a piece of gear. It shouldn’t be account wide. Although I do agree some of the requirements to get them should be account wide. Like reputation but what ever.

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… Did you not read? That’s literally what I said.

If we do the gating on one character and it hits a milestone flag (eg. Nautical Battlefield Training) that means the ENTIRE ACCOUNT SHOULD HAVE THAT FLAG.

Meaning I can buy the things I’ve unlocked on my main, on my alts. Not “Give me all my stuff for free bahhh I already got it once.”

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Well you said you wanted all the essences unlocked, but not all of them should be. The stuff in the raids that is done by a drop? Those should be earned by each individual character.

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…You literally did not read.

This means Worldvein, Focusing Iris, Conquest Chest, those are all things tied to individual work, not achievements.

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Yeah you got me, I tend to skim over long winded posts.

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I don’t see any reason to make the achievement ones different just because you don’t want to do achievements again. It really makes no sense at all for you to be fine with having to raid to get an essence on each character and not being fine with having to lvl up your follower to get an essence.

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Farming rep through dailies is not a journey that anyone wants to do more than once… If we want to raid or PvP as a different class, why should we have to farm a crap ton of reputation on top of leveling necklace and gearing? It’s far too much.

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Thats the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. Essences arent a peice of gear. Second i could play my alts before this patch without a problem, now it seems like essences are required. So explain to me who has the time to farm on each character?

I agree they need to change this. I like alts, i like other classes, thats why i have one of each class. Nowadays no one has time to be farming this on every character. Unless you have no life then sure. I just feel like its a dumb design and makes my alts pointless, im still grinding on my main… still.

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You don’t need EVERYONE on each character. It takes almost no time at all to get some of these if you actually play your alts a little bit and if you aren’t playing them then what do you need them for.

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But these situations are not me trying to “gain the system” to empower my alts. These are all situations where I wish to play with my friends but am being “punished” for my choice at the character select screen.

Above all, it’s a video game that should be enjoyed with friends. These situations prove that the system is flawed in that aspect.

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Tell me do you equip the essences? Then they are a piece of gear. Just like your jewels are a piece of gear. As for the alt argument, they really can only design the game with one group in mind. The altaholics, or the people that want to play their mains and have lots to do. Personally not a fan of altaholics, they have caused too much content to be removed from the game because they don’t have enough time. If you don’t have time for alts, don’t make alts.

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To play another class in raiding, mythic plus, or PvP? Nobody would be complaining if we were allowed to do that, but instead we have to grind just so we don’t fall behind. Neck level and gear is enough of a grind as is, whytf do we need to grind for essences too?