For The, Eh

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You know, it just struck me that I don’t think there’s been an earnest For The Horde in game for awhile now.

Sylvanas’s was a hollow lie, Saurfang died yelling For Azeroth for some stupid reason, and the one with the most honest gusto was Garrosh who of course was talking about a different Horde.

Just kinda sad to me the last time I really felt hyped about the Horde was in Shadow’s Rising. A battle group of Orcs, Tauren and Shaldorei reinforcing the Zandalari to attack Zul’s cultists and the traitor Dark Rangers was really cool, imho. Highlighted my favorite aspect of the Horde which is how disparate the nation’s in the coalition are.

This was also very well reflected in the tutorial Island bit as well. I especially adored how the Tauren Druid and Forsaken Necromancer weave their magic together to produce a proper disguise for you. Lovely seeing the most diametrically opposed caster schools working in tandem for victory. But that was in service of defeating a hitherto unknown ogre clan trying to resurrect a hitherto unknown dragon. As an introduction it’s a fun fantasy adventure that has a D&D module charm to it but it’s not exactly a victory the bards will sing of for generations.

And I do get this expansion really isn’t about the factions which is ultimately for the best I feel. My problems with SL aside I think the narrative needed a break from that subplot, just a shame we’re on a vacation in an equally if differently disappointing story.

But it’s just damn weird to me that the two last For The Hordes shouted in game where done as a lie and in regards to a completely different and opposed political entity.

And I get the Alliance aren’t exactly feeling high right now either but be fair, attempts were made. You’re welcome to feel they fell flat but we did have Tyrande ganking Nathanos and being the only person with the wherewithal to plan for Sylvanas’s fart cloud escape. And when we stumble on Jania she appears to be a one woman climate disaster whereas Baine and Thrall appear to be less powerful than the PC. Baine’s useless and Thrall’s partly useless because he throws away his only weapon in lieu of a snappy comeback. Just embarrassing, really, though I will concede Thrall does get a cool bit in Torghast later on.

And it’s just all so tiring. Don’t get me wrong I’ve written at length about how much I adore Revendreth and Maldraxxus but the fact is I’ve just recently learned of their existence. Their victories fill me with a resounding ‘Good for them’ at best and ‘Meh’ at worst.

It just seems this would’ve been a very good opportunity to have all the sub factions get their own little cool hero shot moments. We’re fighting an enemy we can slaughter guilt free here. So feel free to go into a Nightwarrior one woman blender dance or Blight bomb the Maw with reckless abandon. I don’t think you can exactly pollute the place and emotionless gray automatons can be mutilated to your hearts content without a shred of sympathy.

Seems like there was an opportunity here to return a sense of pride and competence that was completely ignored in favor of, whatever it is we’re doing here.

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Actually, when was the last honest relatable For The Horde?

Mists of Pandaria?

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I was about to say at Vol’Jin’s funeral but uh, Sylvanas lead that chant so yeahhhh.

I do love that cinematic though. Like they’re seriously going to show me that then pretend no actually this Sylvanas Jailor plot has been in the works for years.

When I’m convinced it wasn’t even in the works for at least the first chunk of BFA. Because Windy seemed pretty earnestly hyped up about the potential of Azerite. And even if it was just to kill people she doesn’t really capitalize on that either. Whole miracle resource plot thread left the room like an awkward fart in an elevator.

And man. I remember really thinking that was such a clever idea before BFA started because the Horde and Alliance being short sighted and fighty over securing resources is such a good basis for a legitimately morally gray war story. Things like that have and will cause otherwise sensible nations to go feral.

Basically the geopolitical equivalent of being locked in a room with people you’ve mixed relations with and everybody finding out there’s one loaded gun in there. Obviously even if you’ve no malice in your heart for anyone, you’d still want to be the one holding it, right?

But that sort of intriguing storyline about fear and greed was obviously too simplistic. No we needed one about secret super Satan. That’s a story for the ages.

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I mean we know that for a fact, when Metzen left Teldrassil was not burning and the start of BFA was not at all what we got.

So yeah the last for the Horde I believe was then Mists of Pandaria in the Siege of Orgrimmar no?

And before that the last For The Horde in a non-civil war capacity was… Cataclysm pre Garrosh Villain Bat Decision in Stonetalon?

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I honest to god believe that Sylvanas’ “For the Horde” during the BfA cinematic was intended to be real and genuine by the writers at the time they made it. They just invented the Jailer and his plot long after that scene was animated.

Her “For the Horde” was real. It was just retconned into being not-real. Conclusion: I’ll say it half-counts, then.

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cause he knew theres no more horde, horde pride has been nothing but toxic in game and out of game

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I don’t think the current group of writers even understand the Horde. They think the Horde should be the Alliance, because if the Alliance is good, and the Horde isn’t the Alliance then the Horde must by definition be evil because there can only be good and evil and only one form of good and since the Alliance is good if the Horde wants to be good too than it MUST also be the Alliance. “If we just get rid of everyone in the Horde who isn’t good then it will finally be exactly like the Alliance!”

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yeah generally if you want to be a good guy you cant be selfish why is it so hard for horde players to understand maybe save azeroth more instead of just saving yourself

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Yikes.

This is Problematic™ given who the Horde-side races are based off of.

The blame of the current story lies exclusively with the writers and their ugly vision.

Yup.

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what mongols and metal heads? Dont act like the alliance doesnt have minority coded characters

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Any Alliance players feel anything, anything at all, when he said For Azeroth?

Did anyone?

No. And if you say otherwise I outright don’t believe you. That’s such a neutral, abstract concept. And even when the Horde and Alliance were fighting side by side for Azeroth theyd still sound their respective war cries on a charge.

For Azeroth.

Go Earth. Cheese Is Fine. All In All Pets Are Fun.

And other bland, meaningless things you can bark.

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Native Americans, Africans/African Diaspora, etc.

Never said otherwise but it’s ugly to say that “Horde is bad” is fine when that’s the standing reality of the faction.

To unilaterally say having pride in a faction with the Native American and African/Diaspora metaphor races is bad is extremely problematic and ugly.

This is the fault of the writers and you know this.

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better than saying “for the faction that just genocided a whole people.”

I did feel something, I knew that saurfang realized that hes was fighting for the wrong thing the whole time that he shouldnt have seen has us vs the other

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Meh, For the Dark Lady, Always.

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the alliance has these things too

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am willing to give Kat the benefit of the doubt that their complaint has little to do with the racial make-up of the Horde and is just with the actions they’ve been written as taking.

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What race of the Alliance, pray tell, is based on Africans/African Diasporic culture and body of practicces?

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The actual black people in the alliance, black humans voiced by black actors

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Do the Black people on the Alliance have the same themes as Black people IRL?

Or is it phenotypic representation for the sake of an RPG?

This is a pathetic argument and you’re better than this. Stormwind Humans are not in-game representations of Black/African/African Diasporic cultures or Amerindigenous cultures.

To villain bat the faction with all the cultural motifs of Black and Native peoples is ugly but it’s even uglier to be okay with this.

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some do

and neither is the belf, nightborne, undead, vulpera