Personally I love sylvanas, I’ve loved her every since W3. Don’t get me wrong I love saurfang too. I just really like how calm and collected she is, as well as her amazing strategist mentality. Yea, she may do really bad things, but in the past they’ve been for good reasons. Look at ICC for example, her goal was to take down the lich king for all he had done to her, yea she may have had selfish reasons, but the end result was good for azeroth. Take Gilneas for example, she used the plague to help win that battle, but she did so to preserve the forsaken, instead of sending them to their deaths like garrosh wanted. We even see it in BfA as well. The battle for lordaeron was devised to take out the highest powers in the alliance, even though she plague bombed both the horde and the alliance. If it weren’t for Jaina she would have beaten the alliance right then and there, preventing all of the other battles, and securing kalimdor permanently for the horde. So say what you will about the Dark Lady, but she will do what’s best, even if it means doing questionable things to get there.
With that being said, Saurfang’s traditional horde mentality isn’t bad either. He shares many of the same values of honor that Thrall did, but is that the best thing for the horde? I don’t think so. Those same values are what led to many of the past wars, and in extreme instances… Garrosh Hellscream. That mentality breeds faction tension, which if what Thrall and Jaina alluded to is true, won’t work. Because it would end up exactly as Thrall had said, the peace would not last.
Sylvanas turned Horde into the bad guys, its long overdue i think. There was always a conflict between the two factions, Alliance always portrayed as the good side, Horde as the bad side. Horde should be evil, Horde should be and act like a fing HORDE. I think Sylvanas is the perfect leader for that. Shes hateful, deceitful, doesnt care about honor. She took the conflict to the next level, when other Warchiefs were dancing around war and peace. I dont agree with her politics but she is a true Horde leader.
That aside, my biggest issue with Saurfang is how he’s portrayed. I know that they want him to be the old, broken soldier who’s seen and done too much that’s forced into a war he doesn’t want once again. The problem is when a quick speech from some youngster is all it takes to get the pep back in his step it comes across more like he’s just been putting off vacation for too long and just needs a week or two in Booty Bay to unwind.
I agree to an extent, but her end goal as she has said, was to secure kalimdor for the horde, and cripple the alliance to the point that they would never invade again. So technically she’s still going for peace in the end
Saurfang, I want to play the Horde not the Scourge. The war of thorns ended my love of Sylvanas. They could have done something interesting with her but they decided to go the cliche route and it’s so disappointing.
Sylvanas is a monster, and needs to be stopped. I am with my Regent Lord, with the First Arcanist, with Baine Bloodhoof, with Rexxar, with Saurfang and with Thrall.
I am with Jaina and Genn Greymane and Anduin Wrynn, if that is what is needed to address this threat. The war is a distraction from very real concerns, which have needed addressing all along.
Oh Saurfang for sure. Thrall’s Horde was cool. Strong and kind of wild, but still respectable.
Sylvanas I have disliked ever since WC3. Never once has she had a redeeming quality to me. Up through Wrath it wasn’t so bad, but she’s gotten increasingly worse as expected. I’m waiting for the karma hammer to finally find her.
Vol’jin is doing spirit stuff in the spirit world, to try to learn who caused him to name Sylvanas as Warchief. Then, I think he’ll have some spirit butt to kick.
WoW was more unique with two morally grey sides, not this black and white stuff that they decided to shove on us. Sylvanas is the worst Warchief this Horde has had; she’s managed to lose more than she’s won, and yet she (Blizzard) keeps pulling this absolutely ridiculous “it’s all part of the plan…” nonsense in us. No matter what “the plan” is, it won’t be at all satisfying because she’s dragged the Horde through the mud so badly it’s barely recognizable.
I’m with the original Horde, the real one. I have no interest in playing the Scourge 2.0.
I am named Saurfang, he was my favorite character. I’ve played this game for a very long time and I still look back on his occupation of the Valley of the Strength fondly. This was before group LFR, this was before group finder, before CRZ, before achievements, etc. I’ve watched Alliance raids pour through the front gate of Orgrimmar and get absolutely annihilated by Saurfang alongside just a small handful of players assisting, he was more than an npc… He was a God. When Garrosh was brazen and acting out Saurfang was the only one to put him in check and far as im aware he was the only one Garrosh has ever respected. When he came out to assist the PC in the Borean Tundra and just annihilates an army of the dead with an unending bladestorm, it was epic.
And then BFA happened. Saurfang has been massively nerfed… I’ve read a few of the books as well and that alongside so many narratives Blizzard has created in which Saurfang plays a role has permanently tarnished how I view the character. Reading about how easily Malfurion embarrassed Saurfang in melee combat, seeing him abandon his role as the High Overlord and toss honor aside so he can practically commit suicide via the enemy faction, seeing how pathetic he’s been in terms of his service of Sylvanas and every situation following after… I don’t even care to own this name anymore and I would sell it if I could. It’s akin to what i’ve read about people meeting their heroes and having that imagined version of that hero which exists in their head utterly shattered. This is how I feel about Saurfang now.
Add to that, I hate the current design of Death Knights in BfA all around so this guy is benched for the foreseeable future regardless. On my current main I’ve sided with Sylvanas every time, even against Saurfang.
Yeah, she’ll do what’s best. For her. Not for the Horde, not even for the Forsaken if she had to choose between herself and her people. Which is fine if that’s the type of character she is, but as leader of an entire faction, it’s not something that’s going to draw in resounding loyalty from a good chunk of that faction.