add in guards and civilians the same level as elwynn .
cause its fair right?
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Agreed, move it to the edge of bloodhoof village right next to a civilian and guards.
the guards have to be very easily aggroed and the same level as elwyn guards too.
same for easily aggroing the civilians .
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Only if we make Barrens contested territory.
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elwynn loch modan and westfall all will take you up to 20~ which is what barrens takes you to.
i dont think making a sub 20 zone contested is the dunk you are going for.
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Ratchet is a shared hub city and neutral faction town that has core character progression tied to it - not a meme world buff. And yet one faction is flagged and the other isn’t.
Let’s fix real issues before your meme PvP happened issues.
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heh there are guards in ratchet. just not all condensed everywhere.
that progression amounts to paying 3g now.
you seem to be crying that pvp happened in ratchet yourself.
im not crying about it . i just want to make it the same on both sides for a world buff that is a core part of raiding for alot of people.
scoff all you want but it is a fact that alot of people play to parse and world buffs are a big part of that.
whats a matter ? you wouldnt be able to get mulgore buffs as easily if they added guards and civilians to get dhks off of?
too bad right?
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You are. You made a nothing burger post about a meme that had nothing to do with core character progression imbalances.
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is doing bigger numbers and competing on the parses not a form of character progression?
i do believe youre wrong in thinking that its not.
i just want equality in getting the buff.
there is a clear imbalance in getting it in mulgore and in elwynn.
you know it to be true and instead of trying to get it to be the same hurdles for both sides you try and throw off the arguments and refuse to acknowledge what is easily seen.
The factions are not symmetric.
Horde players seem to have little interest in addressing asymmetric issues that benefit them, but seethe and mald about issues that don’t benefit them. Curious.
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you say that like alliance doesnt seethe and mald about any number of issues as well.
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You guys got SM, RFD and RFK in those safe zones though.
Alliance has Gnomer and Stockades.
(Stockades is really poopy)
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stocks can take you from 20 -30 . gnomer if it werent a raid could take you from 24 -32 .
im not gonna get into the benefits of the zone placement and dungeon placement. there are clear winners on both sides (and ya horde win in alot of places).
this is a clear character progression issue like you pointed out and its clearly imbalanced on the favor of the alliance.
it wouldnt be as bad if they just straight up removed dishonorable kills from the game and just let people raid up and get the buffs on both sides.
they probably arent doing that so they should add the civilians and guards to mulgore and be fair to both.
the real fix would be to remove dhks and guards from the equation and let pvp sort itself out.
My honest opinion? Get rid of dhk and make civvies not attackable. Some people don’t care about DHKs and gank quest givers anyways. It’s a flawed solution.
Beyond that though? Nah. The factions aren’t equal.
Issue is that DHKs were added because we’re not adult enough for nice things.
The alliance zones got finished first. Then the horde zones weren’t given much attention and barely functional.
Oh gee, I wonder why theres so many empty buildings in horde towns, such a lack of guards, npcs, civilians…hmm…
all the more reason to add guards and civilians to mulgore dmf.
How about you make a bunch of civilians from both factions visiting the fair meaning any stray aoe will DHK regardless of faction. Only the brave will pvp at DMF.
Better yet all those orphans from children’s week. Make them attackable and put them there. Each murdered child lowers pvp rank by 2
Agreed. Once they rework racials, flight paths, battleground design
and deadmines dont forget deadmines 
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