11/05/2018 07:12 PMPosted by
Aerynà
Yeah that's how the rest of us feel now. We've done it. You are always welcome not to fly even when it is implemented. That really seems like a "you" problem.
Actually, crying about needing to fly sounds like a "you" problem.
I wasn't "crying" about anything. But nice try.
This is a basic issue with gameplay and player enjoyment. If YOU don't want to fly... don't. Other people flying has zero effect on your precious immersion.
Or is this REALLY all about you?
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11/05/2018 08:55 PMPosted by
Vadya
This is a basic issue with gameplay and player enjoyment. If YOU don't want to fly... don't. Other people flying has zero effect on your precious immersion.
Allowing flying does impact everyone as it makes anti-flyers less efficient relatively speaking.
I can be just as arrogant and suggest that you play an expansion behind so you can get Pathfinder completed without waiting for a future patch. ;)
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What 3 months into a brand new expansion?!?
Calm down who cares
Ride a dam gryphon
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11/05/2018 08:36 PMPosted by
Charax
the vocal minority.
That would be the ones claiming flying ruins "
immersion", the game, PvP, etc.
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11/05/2018 08:57 PMPosted by
Charax
11/05/2018 08:55 PMPosted by
Vadya
This is a basic issue with gameplay and player enjoyment. If YOU don't want to fly... don't. Other people flying has zero effect on your precious immersion.
Allowing flying does impact everyone as it makes anti-flyers less efficient relatively speaking.
I can be just as arrogant and suggest that you play an expansion behind so you can get Pathfinder completed without waiting for a future patch. ;)
That doesn't even make any sense.
Anyway, nobody cares if a few Luddites want to putter around on their ground mounts after everyone else gets flying. Insisting that everyone else suffer this monotony because of your "immersion" is silly.
I know you used to be in a massive wpvp zerg guild, so I can see where you're coming from. At the same time, I don't care.
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11/05/2018 08:57 PMPosted by
Charax
11/05/2018 08:55 PMPosted by
Vadya
This is a basic issue with gameplay and player enjoyment. If YOU don't want to fly... don't. Other people flying has zero effect on your precious immersion.
Allowing flying does impact everyone as it makes anti-flyers less efficient relatively speaking.
I can be just as arrogant and suggest that you play an expansion behind so you can get Pathfinder completed without waiting for a future patch. ;)
I bet you'd be the first the get flying when they actually allow it.
You say you don't want it but we know you'll get it once it's there and we know you won't stop using it.
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11/05/2018 08:59 PMPosted by
Graewyn
11/05/2018 08:36 PMPosted by
Charax
the vocal minority.
That would be the ones claiming flying ruins "immersion", the game, PvP, etc.
Wrong.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4568-Hotfixes-for-December-5th-No-Flying-Poll-DLC-467
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Because your tears fuel their RNG machine.
Flying damages immersion.
Speak for yourself. Flying kills YOUR own personal immersion.
Or you could come up with a better argument because I have many, many, many years arguing this point (thus the 19K posts).
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11/05/2018 09:02 PMPosted by
Vadya
Anyway, nobody cares if a few Luddites want to putter around on their ground mounts after everyone else gets flying. Insisting that everyone else suffer this monotony because of your "immersion" is silly.
I know you used to be in a massive wpvp zerg guild, so I can see where you're coming from. At the same time, I don't care.
I am usually doing smaller scale WPvP (not a fan of zerging), so obviously I prefer no flight.
You don’t care about my opinions? Quaint. Why should we care about yours? After all, we’re now in the third expansion with Pathfinder and you folks are still subscribed. ;)
11/05/2018 09:04 PMPosted by
Charax
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That would be the ones claiming flying ruins "immersion", the game, PvP, etc.
Wrong.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4568-Hotfixes-for-December-5th-No-Flying-Poll-DLC-467
Stop using this link.
1) This link is not related to the current content- this was done 3 expansions ago.
2) This particular poll was easily circumvented. I'm pretty sure I voted a couple of times on that one. It wasn't a valid poll back then and it definitely isn't valid now.
3) See point 1.
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11/05/2018 08:57 PMPosted by
Charax
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Allowing flying does impact everyone as it makes anti-flyers less efficient relatively speaking.
I can be just as arrogant and suggest that you play an expansion behind so you can get Pathfinder completed without waiting for a future patch. ;)
I bet you'd be the first the get flying when they actually allow it.
You say you don't want it but we know you'll get it once it's there and we know you won't stop using it.
Yes, I would use it because I would otherwise be at a relative mass disadvantage if I didn’t. It doesn’t change the fact that I think it is terrible for the game.
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Wrong.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4568-Hotfixes-for-December-5th-No-Flying-Poll-DLC-467
Stop using this link.
1) This link is not related to the current content- this was done 3 expansions ago.
2) This particular poll was easily circumvented. I'm pretty sure I voted a couple of times on that one. It wasn't a valid poll back then and it definitely isn't valid now.
3) See point 1.
Why? Because it doesn’t suit your narrative that the supposed majority want flying? Where is YOUR proof of that?
11/05/2018 09:04 PMPosted by
Charax
11/05/2018 08:59 PMPosted by
Graewyn
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That would be the ones claiming flying ruins "immersion", the game, PvP, etc.
Wrong.
https://www.mmo-champion.com/content/4568-Hotfixes-for-December-5th-No-Flying-Poll-DLC-467
I'm going to assume that you're an intelligent, educated person who knows perfectly well how meaningless straw polls are, so I don't need to explain it to you.
11/05/2018 09:07 PMPosted by
Charax
After all, we’re now in the third expansion with Pathfinder and you folks are still subscribed. ;)
THAT'S your argument? "You claim to have an issue with a game feature but you're still subscribed so you really must love it INDEEDY!"
You're being disingenuous.
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Flying may make the game fun for YOU but don’t presume to speak for others.
Delaying flying is one of the few game decisions that Blizzard has done right notwithstanding the vocal minority.
Regarding the bolded, the converse is also true. And whereas folks who prefer to stay grounded always have that option, folks who prefer flying do not.
Also, what makes you think the folks who prefer flying are a minority, vocal or otherwise? It seems the mass unsubbing when it was announced that there'd be no flying in WoD indicates the opposite.
In fact, you've indicated it's the opposite when you've said that even the folks you know who are anti flying will still fly when it's made available.
11/05/2018 08:57 PMPosted by
Charax
Allowing flying does impact everyone as it makes anti-flyers less efficient relatively speaking.
As I've said before, that's a choice and every choice has consequences. Either you prefer to stay grounded, or you prefer the efficiency of flying. If you choose flying over staying grounded because it's more efficient, then you're not as anti flying as you claim.
I make plenty of choices in game that make my gameplay style less efficient because I find that method of playing more fun. I don't expect the game to change to suit my play style over that of the majority. I accept that I'll be at a disadvantage over other people who make other choices in game. I'm okay with that.
If you really prefer to stay grounded, own that and face the fact that doing so will make you less efficient when gathering resources.
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I enjoy not flying until the X.2 of the patch like in Legion, I get to explore the world it seems larger, and by the time X.2 roles out when I'm leveling more alts I can just fly by the boring stuff where I have already seen everything for the 10th+ time leveling characters to 120.
Fyi I already have 8 120's....
Odd how people repeat the "the world seems larger when you're trapped on the ground" talking point. In the real world when flight was introduced, people said "the world seems larger now that we can more easily access distant places".
I guess you're one of those people who thinks going afk on a flight path while ordering pizza and receiving a beer delivery means you are engaged, while people who fly themselves are not engaged. Because that was another talking point.
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11/05/2018 09:10 PMPosted by
Graewyn
You got anything else? Because mocking you is going to be the easiest thing I do all night.
You can try mocking me but I am actually quite good at debating. Bring it on, my salty friend. I will gladly swat down your arguments.
11/05/2018 09:10 PMPosted by
Charax
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Stop using this link.
1) This link is not related to the current content- this was done 3 expansions ago.
2) This particular poll was easily circumvented. I'm pretty sure I voted a couple of times on that one. It wasn't a valid poll back then and it definitely isn't valid now.
3) See point 1.
Why? Because it doesn’t suit your narrative that the supposed majority want flying? Where is YOUR proof of that?
Because it's a false poll and doesn't prove anything. People could vote on it as many times as they wanted proving it was false.
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what makes you think the folks who prefer flying are a minority, vocal or otherwise? It seems the mass unsubbing when it was announced that there'd be no flying in WoD indicates the opposite.
Oh, I must have missed the report that stated X number of players unsubbed because of flying. Are you going to invent facts now for your argument?
11/05/2018 09:16 PMPosted by
Graewyn
You are in the minority and the proof lies with all the threads that are inundated with "Likes" for the removal of Pathfinder or having flying at max level for a reasonable sum of gold.
Given we are not allowed to “dislike” something, perhaps you can point me to a thread that has a lot of likes. I’ll compare that to he estimated WoW player population, do some simple math, and show you that it is an insignificant group relative to the player population.
Your turn.