Flying feels necessary because of how zones are designed

I’ve noticed while leveling 1-60 many times, I’ve never once actually cared about not being able to fly until level 60. Even when I reach level 58 and go to outland before I can unlock flying, it doesn’t feel super terrible. I think the main reason is that even though the zones are large and not all of them are easy to navigate, for the most part they are flatter and there are more paths to get to where you need to go.

In BFA zones however it’s different. Traveling is a lot more tedious. It’s not quite as bad as it was in Legion, but I feel the strong desire for flying when traveling through the BFA zones. There’s a lot more cliffs, dead ends, and specific paths you have to take to get to where you need to go. It makes traveling feel more like a chore compared to the earlier zones. I’m hoping for a return to Kalimdor/Eastern Kindom style zones.

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Not really, zones feel about right. Specifically Nazmir, Drustvar, and Zuldazar.

The rest of the zones felt really rail roadish like pre MoP zones.

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The purpose of the terrain in those zones was to enable players to get to their quests while keeping them from accidentally wandering into a zone that was too high a level for them. The map was a true reflection of the terrain they would find, and you could clearly see how to get to your next point of interest.

Now maps are created with a phony fantasy terrain that serves the twin purposes of slowing people down and leading them astray so as to waste as much time as possible.

I dunno, it seems like a lot of the “muh immersion” crowd doesn’t like terrain that is realistic anyway.

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Vanilla Barrens and Wesfall would like to have a word with you.

Drustvar is set up pretty identical to Duskwood minus back tracking.

Zuldazar I set up like STV.

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I’m not going back in time to visit some zone that hasn’t existed since I’ve been playing.

The “terrain puzzle” style of terrain design exists only to annoy people and slow them down.

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Who said it was a terrain puzzle. They are all pretty linear

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The entirety of Val’sharah is a terrain puzzle. Multiple levels of stacked earth slabs with tree trunks and thickets blocking your way, and paths you can’t get to even though you can see the elite you need to kill is right there, just on another level from you.

No. Terrain puzzles are real and they suck.

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It has clear paths and indicators.

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What does? Val’sharah? No way.

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I mean, you’re talking to someone who considers just basic movement and getting around to be a “complex puzzle” so … are you really expecting to get a reasonable response to this?

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Flying isn’t really a requirement for BC, but every expansion after that is almost necessary in some zones (Icecrown, Storm Peaks, Uldum). And of course who can forget hugging mountains in Highmountain in Legion to get around. The lack of flying for 6+ months is a regression in current content and not good.

It feels like time wasted trying to navigate annoying terrain. How anyone can defend it and not be trolling is beyond me.

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I guess not.

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I’ve been playing BFA all this time without flying, so I don’t really think it is “necessary.”

It is more convenient, yes.

I noticed it more in Legion, with the horrible terrain problems and falling to my death (oh ye hole in Argus MacCrappy, how I loathe ye.)

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Why didn’t you keep a handful of gliders to stop falling to your death?

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Those that have problems with the Maps of the newer Zones suffer from “Golden Arrow Syndrome”.
That is when a Player aims his/her toon in the direction the golden arrow on their minimap points and just starts going without any thought to what could be in their way… just like if they were flying.

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Muuuaaahh.

Thats a kiss.

LOL. They have you fooled.

You don’t even have pathfinder. So you can’t even see what a travesty the terrain in Val’sharah is.

You don’t have the 50 world quests achieve. How did you manage that?

Come back after you’ve done 10k world quests in the Broken Isles and we can discuss it like 2 people who actually both have first-hand knowledge of the zone.

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I do have Pathfinder.

I also have a Pathfinder Badge from the U.S. Army.

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Pathfinder is an account-wide achieve.

50 world quests is an account-wide achieve.

Maybe you did it on your other unconnected account?

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No the current API misses a ton of achievements. I got it the fourth week of BFA.

Heck you can’t see any of my PvP ratings. Let alone half the time you will be missing 2/3 whole different ‘schools’ of achievementw.

Heck in Legion it kept my first seasons PvP stats for the whole expansion.

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