The big boy with the big boy diaper. Daddy raid lead must be so proud of your parse
I’m not an officer.
lol nah. I just don’t demand the game cater to me because I want to join a game mode but don’t want to follow the rules.
Maybe you guys should focus on getting aotc first and then actually put some effort into recruitment before demanding Blizz cater mythic raiding to you.
Agreed. This would definitely be a change. There’s no such thing as a perfect solution. HOWEVER: This is a solution that already exists and is actively used in Heroic environments. Would it be more common in Mythic? Youuuu betcha.
What is with Snozy and the word “Demand” btw? Is that a thing?
Didn’t even understand the joke. r/whoosh
Not when you’re manipulating the group size in order to make it easier. That’s WHY it’s 20 people and hasn’t changed.
Someone getting upset because this isn’t an echo chamber and you’re not getting your way?
It has to be funny in order to be a joke.
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Hopefully it’s something good.
I demand it be whiskey.
Bro you’re not even contributing arguments against the point like the people before you did. All you’re doing here is saying, “You’re bad. Suck less. It is what it is.”
You’re not reading then
I haven’t said anyone was bad but ok rofl let’s make up things because we aren’t getting our way!
I’m gonna be plastered, rofl. And sorry for the edit. My internet has been cutting in and out, wasn’t trying to bait and switch you.
I see your point. There is a great purity to Mythic being what it is. I don’t really want to hurt that, I’m hoping there is a middle ground between invalidating what people get from Mythic as is and what a lot of other guilds probably would enjoy Mythic being.
Joda is simply more passionately aggressive about the topic than I am, haha.
This post isn’t about the guild I’m in, though of course that’s how these things tend to feel.
It’s about all the guilds that get the Heroic Dimensius achievement and then raid 1-2 more time for their alts and then log out for the expansion. That’s not winning for anyone.
The perfect solution is… To make more friends.
Heroic and Mythic aren’t comparable because the margin for error between the two is like walking on a sidewalk or walking on a tightrope, the mechanics are what make it different because you can get 20 people and kill every boss in Heroic on 45 minutes and then spend three hours wiping to Loomithar because people are dying not knowing how to do the beams right and letting stacks get too high.
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I would be amenable to this point personally because we have in fact tried this. The problem was we constantly ran into people who didn’t understand the lockout was difference between Mythic and the rest. They had done Mythic already that week and couldn’t zone in, or did do Mythic run with us and then couldn’t do it with their guild same week (and I got cursed out for it by this person). So I can safely say we have tried the recruiting solution before and we have tried the pugging solution. However, the barriers to access continue to be too high and we simply can’t do Mythic.
The general sentiment here is that there are simply multiple barriers to Mythic raiding that aren’t just player skill (which should be the primary barrier in my mind) which feel unnecessary. The reason for those barriers should be challenged to ensure that we are positive this is the right direction.
There were originally 3 barriers to Mythic when it became 20-man: size, realm, and lockout. Realm has been resolved with cross-realm from day one, but we still have size and lockout–both of which are non-trivial. Size feels like it’s the best barrier to drop next, because it provides the most flexibility to guilds trying to get into Mythic that want to keep playing the whole season.
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No gatekeeping, flex Mythic raiding for all
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lol yeah because I was going to slip demand in any way possible lol
You’re good. I don’t take the forums seriously.
I’ll be brutally honest here. Outside of the first two bosses if you do not have the organization you will not progress. Period.
The first two bosses are free. However loomithar and forge actually take assignments and coordinating you don’t ever need in heroic. If you are unable to have the organization for recruitment you won’t be able to organize for the later bosses.
I’d say the lockout would be easier to do away with than the size because it would require no rebalancing at all. Though, the other issues that come from it would mainly be things that impact RWF/HoF guilds running split mythic raids but most mythic raiders don’t care too much about that.
Lockout isn’t an issue nor is the 20 man size.
People complain about the lockout because they magically think of it didn’t exist they would get CE every tier.
They’ve already said they have no plans to change Mythic raid size.
So, better get used to the idea and work with what you have. I don’t think they’re going to budge on this one.
Those barriers have been challenged before and while I welcome the feedback they have also been held because of design reasons before and unless you want to change the core of what makes mythic raiding and change those designs flex or removing the lockout is not an acceptable solution for that content.
The change to realms had to be done when Blizzard has refused to consolidate realms on retail much and that most guilds went on the same servers leaving some servers unplayable if you want to raid mythic. Moreover that change was seen as more acceptable when it doesn’t change too much what mythic raiding is about. The same way that crossfaction was done because they couldn’t manage to balance factions and to be fair haven’t really tried.
Yeah, I know, u rite.
But flip side?
If I had a nickel for every time Blizzard changed their mind on something…
(NOTE: Really, this is a good thing. That’s what good developers do. Constantly evaluate. Not complaining about this, in fact, fully trying to leverage it here, haha)
This is fiction. Anyone good enough to be in a Mythic raid would know CE is not a guarantee, lockout or otherwise. If they truly think that, they are simply delusional.
Lockout is a problem because it’s artificial, and makes pugging people (which is an avenue for recruiting) more difficult than it needs to be. For size, it’s fair to say that the main reason for this barrier is balance. OK, fine. But then what is the reason for the lockout being different from other content?