Personally, I don’t really care about having each spec in the raid, or class stacking or anything else with regards to rankings or races - I just want to push higher difficulties of content with my friends. Right now, Mythic raid might as well not exist for a LOT of players - it’s almost like it’s an entirely different game mode, like tournament servers.
The barrier to doing Mythic raid is not skill, it’s the pain of managing a 20-man roster and finding (and retaining) the extra 5-10 players so we can even attempt the content. I don’t know about you, but adding 7 randos really changes the experience, and good luck seeing them reliably week to week. Adding 7 regulars is also challenging because they have to be compatible with your group and that takes time… unless you treat your raid group like a job, and “keep it professional”… except this is a game, and I just want to enjoy it. Sigh.
If we’re concerned about RWF and the sanctity of the Hall of Fame, limit eligibility for those prestige achievements to the full 20. Just let the rest of us play too.
I’m okay with the fights being harder (or easier) because it’s a smaller group. I just want to have fun progging challenging raid content with my friends. Right now, that ends with AotC for the vast majority of players, and it feels like AoTC has never been easier to achieve.
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If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
The game doesn’t conform to the player. Just keep clearing heroics till you get confident to attempt mythic. Whisper successful raid groups, ask if their recruiting. Merge with them or scout out other players yourself.
I know right … EFRROT … achieving something when it should just fall nice and softly into your weak and feeble arms.
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I think you’re missing the point. I have jumped into mythic raid from time to time outside my regular guild raiding, but my schedule doesn’t permit me to do that on the regular. I know I have the requisite skill and experience to do the content. The issue is the “Roster Boss”.
Also, blizzard is open to feedback, so why not?
I’ve also heard from my guildies and multiple other sources that the mythic lockout is a problem as well. Would be great if we could pug easier.
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There’s millions of people that play this game! Just keep asking around until you find individuals that can do it in the timeslot. This really isn’t the game to play hardcore if you’re strapped for time, I’m sorry to tell you. I don’t know what you expect the developers to do for you?
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But then blizz would have to do any work at all in regards to how horribly alot of the fights scale with raid size
And we know they won’t do anything about that
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uhhh how about recruit more players to the guild?
You’re not being denied the content.
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Yes… but I enjoy hanging out with the guildies… that’s why I’m in the guild. I’m not interested in leaving my guild to join another just to mythic raid.
The point is, why not make Mythic raid accessible for smaller groups?
I agree Malgorok: balance would be a pain, but I”m okay with borked balance for mythic. If we hit a wall, we hit a wall. We’d probably get some bosses down and get some mythic loot….
And most of all, had a good time with friends.
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How did I know it would be someone whining “bUt mUh sChEdULe”
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Because it was tried in the past back when we had 10 Man and 25 Man heroic and didn’t work out. This isn’t uncharted territory.
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Borked balance goes both ways, and having to reduce your raid size because one boss is ridiculously easier at 13 players or 16 rather than 20 is horrid. If you want to get some bosses down and get some mythic loot that is 100% possible with 7 pug players. You can certainly do at the least 3/8M currently.
Trying to design the fights around flex would weaken their design and likely cause a lot of unintended issues.
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you can be in multiple guilds for different reasons. im in a mythic raiding guild and a casual guild. guess which discord im usually hanging out in.
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Highly recommend having both!
Yeah, I know, i should have worded it better…
I’m not really interested in committing to two separate guilds. We still do heroic runs, run M+ together, etc. during regular raid times. I would have to give that up to swap over to a mythic guild after AoTC, when I’d rather be able to progress into mythic with the same group of friends.
It may be a pipe dream, and maybe Blizz won’t try it again, but it really sucks that AoTC is the end these days for your average Joe.
I guess it’s M+ or bust
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i dont know how to word this properly but basically if your not willing to make the same sacrifices and put in the work that others do and just want to drag it down to something else then the whole of mythic raiding gets diluted and would make it feel like less of an accomplishment.
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It has since vanilla with the 1st major nerfing going to Warlocks about using their fear.
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Forcing mythic raids to 20 players has always been a major misstep on blizzard’s part, tied to their evergreen hopes of making their nerd game into an esport, and cadres of middle-aged men’s dreams of being treated like star athletes to make up for their disappointments in high school.
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I think if they ever implement flex for mythic it’s going to start off very small, like 19-21 or 18-22.
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…. This is a game, not a job. I’m in it for the challenge and the fun with friends.
Maybe it’s not achievable due to technical complexity, but I don’t see any inherent problem (in principle) with a flexible raid size. I would be putting just as much work in if my raid size is 13 vs 20… maybe more, actually, because it would likely be harder.
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that fine that you feel that way but people enjoy mythic raid because of how much you have to dedicate to it. if you dont have the time there is always m+ to push and thats basically exactly what its there for. people who want to push content but not have a set schedule for raid.
you literally cant balance mythic raid around a flexible raid size. the problem then becomes that you just added another thing that raid leader have to balance because some fights would be much easier depending on raid size.
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